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#2654796 - 06/19/17 09:46 AM Piano sample programme options  
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Hi all. I've been using pianoteq standard for a while and sadly am still not that impressed with the piano sounds. Might be my laptop isn't up to the job although it's fairly new and fairly empty in terms of space. Sounds always appear distant to me despite changing settings, microphones, etc in pianoteq. Any alternatives people could recommend for comparison?

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#2654824 - 06/19/17 12:29 PM Re: Piano sample programme options [Re: jamess]  
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You hit it on the head!
Originally Posted by jamess
I've been using pianoteq standard for a while and sadly am still not that impressed with the piano sounds. Sounds always appear distant to me despite changing settings, microphones, etc in pianoteq.
Yes, it always sounds like a piano that is not here. It's somewhere else. This has been true in every version I've tried. And I never found anything to fix it.

I fought that battle for several years before giving up. I now use various VST-based and Kontakt-based pianos.

#2654834 - 06/19/17 12:48 PM Re: Piano sample programme options [Re: jamess]  
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Have to agree with the two of you, about Pianoteq. I've tried to like it, but not succeeded. No soul. No character. I think you still have to go the sample route to get that body, that character of the piano which is sampled, or modelled in the case of Pianoteq.

It'll be an illusion, in both cases, but it's only logical, the sample will get closer to the soul of the source piano, if it's a recording, not the result of mathematical formulas. I know some will disagree, but that'll just have to be like that.

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#2654889 - 06/19/17 04:15 PM Re: Piano sample programme options [Re: jamess]  
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Thanks both. Downloaded a demo of addictive keys as a comparison. I can hear the sound samples and keys playing if I select them on screen with the mouse but not using my actual piano. Is this normal? I guess not? Anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks

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#2654893 - 06/19/17 04:51 PM Re: Piano sample programme options [Re: jamess]  
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It's normal. The software plays a demo if you point your mouse to the play button to the left of every preset. I find that by clicking the name of the preset, the demo stops. Then you can try playing the preset with your keyboard, assuming you have it connected correctly.

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#2655029 - 06/20/17 04:11 AM Re: Piano sample programme options [Re: jamess]  
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Oh dear, still no luck! Using yamaha ydp161 with midi to USB cable. Lenovo laptop 24 gb free on drive. Worked OK (ish!) with pianoteq. Any ideas please? Let me know if you need more info. In the audio midi box I have options for windows audio, direct sound or asio. All work when I press the test button?

#2655045 - 06/20/17 07:46 AM Re: Piano sample programme options [Re: TheodorN]  
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Originally Posted by TheodorN
Have to agree with the two of you, about Pianoteq. I've tried to like it, but not succeeded. No soul. No character. I think you still have to go the sample route to get that body, that character of the piano which is sampled, or modelled in the case of Pianoteq.

It'll be an illusion, in both cases, but it's only logical, the sample will get closer to the soul of the source piano, if it's a recording, not the result of mathematical formulas. I know some will disagree, but that'll just have to be like that.


Took me two years to sort it out particularly wrt velocity curves. I reckon it's a lovely sound. The reason most of us migrate to software pianos is the original stuff is lacking character, or body. And that includes high end stuff.
I've set each parameter for the piano and type I like. And then I've frozen the settings.
So any new piano I buy from P'teq will pretty much display those characteristics as well as the individuallity of each piano.


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#2655069 - 06/20/17 09:08 AM Re: Piano sample programme options [Re: jamess]  
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Would I need an additional programme to run addicted keys such as Cuba self or something? Sorry very new to this. Thanks

#2655089 - 06/20/17 10:57 AM Re: Piano sample programme options [Re: jamess]  
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Originally Posted by jamess
Oh dear, still no luck! Using yamaha ydp161 with midi to USB cable. Lenovo laptop 24 gb free on drive. Worked OK (ish!) with pianoteq. Any ideas please? Let me know if you need more info. In the audio midi box I have options for windows audio, direct sound or asio. All work when I press the test button?


Addictive keys runs in standalone, no need for another program.

It seems that you have probably not selected the right midi input in the options. You should find that in your parameters in Addictive keys.
For the audio driver, select ASIO.
Good luck
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#2655127 - 06/20/17 03:58 PM Re: Piano sample programme options [Re: jamess]  
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Thanks SK, got it working! Only played for a couple of minutes but sounds nice in presets. One issue I have is volume. Even with laptop volume at 100% it's still not that loud so I'm not experiencing the full immersion I'd hoped. Can I turn this up more somehow?

Are there any others I should try? Ideally with demos...

Thanks all for the help so far

#2655376 - 06/21/17 03:29 PM Re: Piano sample programme options [Re: jamess]  
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For this kind of problems you should opt for an external audio interface, with better/higher output and headphones levels. There are a lot of good audio cards, Steinberg, Focusrite, Native instruments, Roland... all theses brands have good and reasonably priced products.


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