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Re: Roland Juno-DS88
ElmerJFudd #2461969 09/21/15 02:16 PM
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Do any of you know about their "you can download a jillion voices" statement ie:

- does that mean I can download directly to the keyboard and use just like any other voice?
- how does it know where to "put it?" (ie is it just tacked on the end, doesn't the Roland have groupings it should fit into etc)
- are these legitimately unique sounds or like some of the other keyboards I've seen that say "here are a ton more voices!" and they sound just like voices you already have

Hoping one of y'all have done this-?

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ElmerJFudd #2461973 09/21/15 02:40 PM
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I'll be receiving a sample of the Juno DS-88 tomorrow to check out and play around with. I already have a couple of my favourite Axial sets that I'll load up....

I'll report back as fully as I can, when i've had some time with it.

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Originally Posted by bill5
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It sounds like you may be mixing up different uses of the terms, i.e. .....the difference between "monophonic" and "polyphonic" (having to do with the number of notes that can be played simultaneously)


Not according to my music teacher at school! In an essay, I said that the piano appealed to the romantic composers of the 19th century because it is a polyphonic instrument, and therefore a single musician could shape and control the sound of an entire, complex harmonic arrangement. She put a line through it saying 'WRONG USE OF THE WORD!' She would be most unhappy about subsequent lexical developments, I suspect.

She was correct. Your definition is valid when talking electronic keyboards, but not in general musically.


She was correct because the word has another historical application . However, to my naive teenage mind, the word 'polyphonic' made perfect sense for an instrument capable or producing several notes simultaneously.

'Polytonal' would not have done since that means 'more than one key or modality'. 'Multi-tonal' might be correct, but it sounds pedantic and like marketing bs. So what should I have said?

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Re: Roland Juno-DS88
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Originally Posted by Jay Roland
I'll be receiving a sample of the Juno DS-88 tomorrow to check out and play around with. I already have a couple of my favourite Axial sets that I'll load up....

I'll report back as fully as I can, when i've had some time with it.
Awesome, thx!


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She was correct because the word has another historical application .
She was correct because the word has a primary (not "historical") definition. It aint yours. smile

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what should I have said?
Nothing; she was correct.

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ElmerJFudd #2462225 09/22/15 09:59 AM
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I'd say she was correct in terms of music theory, but the other usage is also correct in terms of modern electronic keyboard jargon. To say otherwise would be kind of like saying that a mouse is an animal, and not a pointing device for a computer. There's no reason it can't be both. Old terms get new/additional meanings all the time.

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Well, quite so, anotherscott. But my question to bill5 was; if I was wrong to use the word 'polyphonic' what term should I have used?

This is completely separate from the question of whether my teacher was correct. By 'historical', I did not mean that that definition is anachronistic, I meant applied to a style in a historical period ie that before harmonic counterpoint.

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Originally Posted by anotherscott
I'd say she was correct in terms of music theory,
...which is not the definition toddy used, so....no gold star today wink


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if I was wrong to use the word 'polyphonic' what term should I have used?
None, as it's N/A for a piano. There is no note drop-off after you hit so many keys. If you somehow hit them all at once, they would all play.

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Originally Posted by bill5


Originally Posted by toddy
if I was wrong to use the word 'polyphonic' what term should I have used?
None, as it's N/A for a piano. There is no note drop-off after you hit so many keys. If you somehow hit them all at once, they would all play.


But this is missing the point, which is that in the Romantic era, the focus of attention moved from praise of God and pleasing a hierarchic status quo to the subjective power of man - man against subjugating power, man against nature and so on. The piano as a 'polyphonic' instrument and dynamically expressive instrument (as opposed to an oboe or a trumpet) suited this mode of expression particularly well, hence the proliferation of piano composers in the mid 1800's.


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Re: Roland Juno-DS88
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In an attempt,to hopefully get back on topic,I found this DS-series video from Brazil.
It's not much,but towards the latter part of the video,you get a nice eye-full and I must say,the DS-series is very elegant and professional looking(whereas the FA-series is just a slab of plexi-glass and very toy-ish looking.)
At this point,just out of curiosity and out of the notion of making this keyboard a possible addition to my set-up in the future,I am very eager to see the upcoming overview/tutorial videos.
I suppose such videos will be forthcoming & available early next month(as Roland seems to move at a faster pace than Casio,in this respect.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukI5HQ18eM8

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Re: Roland Juno-DS88
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Originally Posted by Jay Roland
I'll be receiving a sample of the Juno DS-88 tomorrow to check out and play around with. I already have a couple of my favourite Axial sets that I'll load up....

I'll report back as fully as I can, when i've had some time with it.



Well....it was the new EA-7 Expandable arranger that showed up, not the Juno-DS88 so...I'll try it when I get one! BTW...the EA-7 is pretty cool though.

Jay

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Re: Roland Juno-DS88
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Originally Posted by bill5


Originally Posted by toddy
if I was wrong to use the word 'polyphonic' what term should I have used?
None, as it's N/A for a piano. There is no note drop-off after you hit so many keys. If you somehow hit them all at once, they would all play.


But this is missing the point, which is that in the Romantic era, the focus of attention moved from praise of God and pleasing a hierarchic status quo to the subjective power of man - man against subjugating power, man against nature and so on. The piano as a 'polyphonic' instrument and dynamically expressive instrument (as opposed to an oboe or a trumpet) suited this mode of expression particularly well, hence the proliferation of piano composers in the mid 1800's.
? That's not the point at all. The point is simply that your use of that word was incorrect, as she pointed out.

Anyway, enough on that, Elwood is right, back to the Roland...

They look about the same to me, not that that really matters much to me anyway. Just seems like it gives a good bang for the buck. Apparently it doesn't have an arpeggiator (sp?), which is disappointing to me, but I guess they had to make cuts somewhere. I'm hopeful GC or some similar will have one out sometime in the near future to give a hands-on look.

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PS I am curious about the EA-7. What's an "expander arranger" keyboard-? I found very little online about it...

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http://www.pmtonline.co.uk/blog/2015/09/01/roland-ea-7-1500-world-sounds-in-one-keyboard/

Arrangers are filled with sounds for the user like most keyboards, but the focus is on backing tracks for many styles of music. One man band and hobbyists tend to go for these keyboards because they allow the player to focus on melodies while the arranger handles the harmonic work and beat.

Other examples, Korg PA4x, Yamaha Tyros 5.

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Thanks! Looks very MIDI controller-ish offhand, with enhanced abilities to play more accompanying sounds/backing rhythms/percussion. More suited to gigging than recording, I'd think, but an interesting alternative. (PS those other 2 are IMO a joke for that high of cost - only 128 polyphony, and for a device that is designed to pile sounds on top of sounds?)

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They are very expensive but typically the developers put their best and most varied sounds into them. And they are popular because they include a lot of intellectual property with regard to all the styles so they make a lot of sound without the need for really great piano keyboarding skill. If you can play a melody and learn how to trigger the pattern changes, it sounds like a whole band is playing. I suppose for this reason, a lot of piano players look down on them because they don't require great skill and eliminate the need to play with other musicians.

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I got my doctorate in Window Shopping so still looking. smile I need to re-visit GC and/or Sam Ash and see if I can compare the Korg Kross, DS88, and/or FA 08 side by side. I lean against the 08 due to cost and I don't really "need" all of that, but it's tempting.

Any inputs from those who've used?

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Is anyone using this keyboard ... I love mine

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I'm planning to buy it, but haven't done that yet because of the px5s.
Even though it was released back in 2013, it seems that nothing can beat the px5s at its price range.
Problem is that it was released 6 years ago and owning a discontinued instrument (not the case yet, i know) is not so interesting.

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As for the Juno series,they were never complete workstations or not workstations at all and the sounds were not "pro",by my standards.

The Juno Stage and Juno-DS were designed to be stage keyboards, so the fact that they are not full workstations is not a big deal.

The EPs, organs, and sampled brass instruments are good. The DS-88 supports loading SRX card libraries as soft samples so you don’t have to buy the cards. The SRX-07 Ultimate Keys with lots of vintage keyboard sounds is one that has stood the test of time pretty well and would be a useful addition to a DS-88. The piano samples were updated from the original Juno, but are not Roland supernatural or modeled pianos. If you want a digital piano for solo playing primarily, this is not the best choice, unless you like the action and will use a soft VI piano sound.

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The piano samples were updated from the original Juno...

By that I meant the original Juno samples sound keyboard (which I think was the Juno-G) and not the original Juno analog synthesizer. They were also updated from the Juno Stage, Gi, and Di versions. Still not Roland Supernatural pianos, for which the point is hard to understand.

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