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KAWAI GE30, Cristofori 4'10" or Young Chang TG150 #2649297
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Hi all

Have a question and hoping someone here can help. Upgrading from an Everett upright to a Baby Grand. The models we are looking at are the Kawai GE 30, Young Chang TG150(?), Or a Cristofori 4'10". All about the same price ($5000-6000), all used, the Kawai is 10 yes old with a single owner. Cristofori is 6 yes old with a single owner, and the Young Chang is 15 yes old. All in excellent shape. Getting it for a 12 yr old daughter who loves playing, and want to upgrade.

Any thoughts will be greatly appreciated.

Thx

Re: KAWAI GE30, Cristofori 4'10" or Young Chang TG150 [Re: ScottL] #2649328
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there are a few exceptions, but small grands under 160 cm. or so (the kawai is 165 cm) are not usually the best instruments offered by the company building them. kawai has the best track record/reputation for making good small grands out of the three candidates. didn't know that Cristofori has even made pianos for six years -- their web site does not disclose where they're built ; from the description the factory is very likely in china, maybe Pearl River or one of the Parsons facilities. there is another chinese grand under five feet that has had some favorable reviews, Ritmueller, so it's conceivable there are decent grands 150 cm or shorter around other than Bluethners. there are probably professional level uprights used around the same price as the Young Chang that are better pianos. the kawai would be easiest to trade in or resell, if you should later want a bigger grand.

does your daughter have a preference between the pianos, or do you play yourself and have your own impressions ?

Re: KAWAI GE30, Cristofori 4'10" or Young Chang TG150 [Re: huaidongxi] #2649372
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Like the Kawais. Unfortunately spending$20k on a piano is not in the cards at this moment. If she stays as interested as she's seen so far we can upgrade in a few years. At least that my opinion.

If this doesn't seem to be a feasible price point I'll need to rethink my original idea and see where the price break for something that is going to not cause headaches in a year or so.

Re: KAWAI GE30, Cristofori 4'10" or Young Chang TG150 [Re: ScottL] #2649438
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your original post didn't give the price of the kawai GE30 as $20 k., but that does not surprise me. if you need to stick with your budget around $6 k. (similar to my situation when we were looking for a second piano for early a.m. practice sessions), it really depends on your market, but someone who posted here recently found a not too old, top level kawai upright (52 in., fuller sounding than many grands under 150 cm.) for < $5k. in the LA metro area. if you can't fit a medium size grand (the next size range above the GE 30, about 170-190 cm), you might keep your eyes open for a Baldwin model M (158 cm). some Everett uprights are decent, dependable instruments, others not quite, so it's difficult to say what a professional level, tall upright might offer you, or whether the entry level small grands would be a big step up.

Re: KAWAI GE30, Cristofori 4'10" or Young Chang TG150 [Re: huaidongxi] #2649492
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Al the original pianos listed were in the $5-6k range, What I meant was I didn't want to spend $20 k on a new GE30 or similar.

Thought about the uprights as well, but have longed for a grand for years. Very conflicted at the moment.

Re: KAWAI GE30, Cristofori 4'10" or Young Chang TG150 [Re: ScottL] #2649652
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if you've hoped for a grand, don't settle for anything shorter than the GE 30, unless you're convinced a particular mini grand is an exceptional instrument. with that predisposition, my hunch is the next size up (the 170 cm. +, not baby grands in other words) might give you the most long term satisfaction. best thing to do is simply look at and play them, comparing with the GE30, even if they're a bit out of budget, to find out if the differences are meaningful for you. was impressed by how GE30s sounded in sample recordings, but that's just one aspect of an instrument, obviously. mentioned before, the kawai could be traded or resold much more easily than the other two, if a larger piano is practicable in the future. in our compact bungalow (smaller than many apartments) my initial search for a piano was for a very good upright, and my dear spouse explained she'd wanted a grand since taking lessons on one as a child. we ended up rescuing a seven foot, golden age mason & hamlin. she loves it.


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