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Re: Building Pianos in Africa [Re: Lirika] #2674957
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Cedar might be interesting -- you'd have a piano that smells good. It's just as well that you don't have Euclypts, we do, and the wood is very weak. It shrinks and cracks. The trees get dangerous when they get big.


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Re: Building Pianos in Africa [Re: Lirika] #2675010
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You could also store cigars in a cedar wood piano.


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Re: Building Pianos in Africa [Re: Lirika] #2675495
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Here is a paper about the tonal qualities of woods found in South America, part of a search for non-European woods that could be used for musical instruments. Yes, these same species will not be found in Africa, but the measurements and considerations and conclusions might point towards methodologies and concerns. In Spanish, at first, with the English translation on page 65:

http://www.mundoflorestal.com.br/arquivos/EVALUATIONOFSELECTED.pdf

Re: Building Pianos in Africa [Re: Lirika] #2676371
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Hmm, somebody who hardly knows anything about pianos wants to get crowdfunded to start producing pianos in Africa.

I think the OP is trying to leave a trail of "evidence" so that a crowdfunding scam can be operated. Of course, I could be wrong ...

https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/money/crowdfunding-scam

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/is-that-crowdfunding-campaign-really-just-a-scam-119808318139.html

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Re: Building Pianos in Africa [Re: Lirika] #2676380
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Originally Posted by Lirika
Hi guys. Just to post a quick update - we made our first string frame smile

Hot out the forge at Chillington in Kigali. First string frame ever produced in Rwanda - possibly anywhere on the continent except for South Africa? We assume Deitmann forged their own frames, but we'd love to know more about their process. Think they closed in 1989?

Anyway - we're putting in our string order for the bass now, and trying to track down spring steel suppliers in East Africa.

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OK, you said that you cast that? How about showing us the equipment used to make that cast? How do we know that isn't just something scavenged off of an old piano and painted? Come to think of it, that even looks an uneven job of painting.

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Re: Building Pianos in Africa [Re: swampwiz] #2676398
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Originally Posted by swampwiz
Originally Posted by Lirika
Hi guys. Just to post a quick update - we made our first string frame smile

Hot out the forge at Chillington in Kigali. First string frame ever produced in Rwanda - possibly anywhere on the continent except for South Africa? We assume Deitmann forged their own frames, but we'd love to know more about their process. Think they closed in 1989?

Anyway - we're putting in our string order for the bass now, and trying to track down spring steel suppliers in East Africa.

[Linked Image]

OK, you said that you cast that? How about showing us the equipment used to make that cast? How do we know that isn't just something scavenged off of an old piano and painted? Come to think of it, that even looks an uneven job of painting.

I have to admit, this picture didn't look right to me. It doesn't look like a first attempt at a plate. It looks like a plate from an antique piano - but one that was made with knowledge and experience. Which would make sense given all the other antique furniture lying around in pieces...

Re: Building Pianos in Africa [Re: ando] #2676438
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There are a bunch of things wrong. The poster said it was forged, rather than cast. Forging a plate would be much more difficult, although it may be a better way to make it. It looks cast, though. It has been smoothed and machined, and hitch pins have been installed. A casting would require several months of seasoning before it is machined.

So the story is probably fraudulent, but even so, information is cheap to donate, and it might do someone else some good.


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Re: Building Pianos in Africa [Re: Lirika] #2687568
11/06/17 10:39 AM
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Hi guys. We've hit a major snag trying to source steel piano strings.

Hope it's okay to share a link to our blog, where I've explained in more detail: https://kigalikeys.blogspot.com/2017/11/strung-out-to-dry.html

Any help sourcing a supplier would be hugely appreciated. We're thinking probably India as it's a bit closer and trade links are good as there are direct flights to Mumbai.

Honestly didn't think this was going to be such a problem. Forging a string frame was easier smile

Re: Building Pianos in Africa [Re: Lirika] #2687570
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Why's it so hard to believe someone in Africa could forge a string frame? It's a different continent, not a different planet smile

Re: Building Pianos in Africa [Re: Lirika] #2687610
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If people are following their blog, you would see that many of your questions would be answered. Very interesting.


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Re: Building Pianos in Africa [Re: Lirika] #2719134
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Just a little update: http://kios.org/post/daring-dream-carpenter-tries-build-piano-rwanda

We now have all the strings and we're hoping to start stringing the frame next week.

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Re: Building Pianos in Africa [Re: Lirika] #2719334
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Lirika,

Have you already made the back structure and soundboard?

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