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Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: brooster] #2643065
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Removed by whom? My video is on my Facebook page. I only provided a link to that.


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Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: HSFlik] #2643070
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Originally Posted by HSFlik



If you go into MENU \ SYSTEM .... INFO, what version are you seeing?

Mine is 1.02 (0045)


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Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: Dave Horne] #2643073
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It's the same as yours - 1.02 (0045).


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Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: Rhodie73] #2643076
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Originally Posted by Rhodie73
........ I had to return my Roland FP90 because of the same noises that Dave Horne mentioned about his RD2000. I also said to myself maybe it's just me, but I went to my local SamAsh and sat down at a new just put on the floor RD2000 and was able to reproduce the same clicky noise when playing fast passages of classical and jazz improvisation. So I can't pull the trigger on the Roland until this little production glitch is nonexistent.


Oh no , not again ! You've been through the ringer with these keyboards ! First the NP3 and now this !

My CP4 is fine at 3 years old , although I haven't taken it out as much as other keyboards in the past simply because I'm playing gigs on acoustic piano more often. So obviously it has less playing hours on it. I actually play it more at home accompanying my vocals with headphones (30-60 minutes a day ) then playing it out on gigs.

In general I haven't heard many complaints on the CP4, in spite of being frequently criticized for inferior build quality. But I do stand by my observation that quality control on all of these keyboards is down compared to say 7-10 years ago . And initial production runs do indeed have flaws and then down the road, you tend to hear less about any problems.


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I was unaware anyone had linked my video, The removal was only because Sweetwater replaced the original keyboard and I therefore no longer have the issue. I don't wish to cast Roland in a bad light, nor this keyboard, but the fact that they never responded directly to me was a bit offputting, especially when Nord responded to me in two days via email. Still, apologies for removing anything that you had a link to in the room, that was not intentional .


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Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: Dave Ferris] #2643099
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Originally Posted by Dave Ferris
Originally Posted by Rhodie73
........ I had to return my Roland FP90 because of the same noises that Dave Horne mentioned about his RD2000. I also said to myself maybe it's just me, but I went to my local SamAsh and sat down at a new just put on the floor RD2000 and was able to reproduce the same clicky noise when playing fast passages of classical and jazz improvisation. So I can't pull the trigger on the Roland until this little production glitch is nonexistent.


Oh no , not again ! You've been through the ringer with these keyboards ! First the NP3 and now this !

My CP4 is fine at 3 years old , although I haven't taken it out as much as other keyboards in the past simply because I'm playing gigs on acoustic piano more often. So obviously it has less playing hours on it. I actually play it more at home accompanying my vocals with headphones (30-60 minutes a day ) then playing it out on gigs.

In general I haven't heard many complaints on the CP4, in spite of being frequently criticized for inferior build quality. But I do stand by my observation that quality control on all of these keyboards is down compared to say 7-10 years ago . And initial production runs do indeed have flaws and then down the road, you tend to hear less about any problems.


Yes Dave I have been! Tired of it too lol! However I've had the one CP4 that I've kept for almost a year and really no keybed issues or quality control issues. My band mates forced me to keep it because not only did it sound good but I play better on it than the other DP's I've had, simply because I know I can beat on it hard and not worry about keybed issues later. That's one thing I have to say about the CP4, when I play it I concentrate on the music and not the build of the instrument! Yes Dave I too feel that quality control has gone down a bit from the last decade. I do hope Roland tightens their QC. I remember years ago when they still made their top keyboards in Japan and never any issues, except when they started the whole synthetic ivory keybeds. I remember long threads about that and I was affected by it with my old RD700GX.

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I wanted to try out the cp4 when I was at Guitar Center but there were none in stock so I bought the Roland Rd 2000 and am really enjoying it , also still enjoying the MP 11.I watched the Scott Tibbs video and was wondering if anybody knows how to get the spacious piano sound he gets out of the Rd 2000, Ive tried but can,t figure it out. Thanks Mike.

Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: pianomike] #2643123
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Originally Posted by pianomike
I wanted to try out the cp4 when I was at Guitar Center but there were none in stock so I bought the Roland Rd 2000 and am really enjoying it , also still enjoying the MP 11.I watched the Scott Tibbs video and was wondering if anybody knows how to get the spacious piano sound he gets out of the Rd 2000, Ive tried but can,t figure it out. Thanks Mike.


Mike, since I am having issues with the action on my RD 2000, I'm curious if you can reproduce the same issues I have.

I posted a link to my Facebook page where I show how to easily reproduce those issues.


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Just wanted to get off the 666 number.

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I ,ll give it a try Dave but so far I haven,t noticed any clicking.

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Well I did the glissendos don,t know how to spell it and also held down the c and e and tapped down on the right side of the d and did it to neumerous other keys and did not here any clicking . It sounds to me like it might be too much grease on the post or too little. It might work it self out by itself.

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Dave, I just saw the video, do they have bushings on the post that the keys go down on, it sounds like it htiting up against the post, or they drilled out the holes to much, my rd 700 gx had post in it so I'm guessing these do to.

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Incase anybody wondered, YES, the famous Roland "Jazz Scat" sound has made it into the RD-2000!! Ha! The key reason to purchase any Roland wink ... One of the most hilarious tacky sounds in the world, but I love it haha. Every other keyboard that has a 'scat' sound, just can't seem to pull it off like this. It's always fun to have a little jam on!

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Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: RolandRD2000] #2643191
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Originally Posted by RolandRD2000
Incase anybody wondered, YES, the famous Roland "Jazz Scat" sound has made it into the RD-2000!! Ha! The key reason to purchase any Roland wink ... One of the most hilarious tacky sounds in the world, but I love it haha. Every other keyboard that has a 'scat' sound, just can't seem to pull it off like this. It's always fun to have a little jam on!

Thats definately how you play that sound....

I enjoyed your performance...

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Originally Posted by RolandRD2000
Incase anybody wondered, YES, the famous Roland "Jazz Scat" sound has made it into the RD-2000!! Ha! The key reason to purchase any Roland wink ... One of the most hilarious tacky sounds in the world, but I love it haha. Every other keyboard that has a 'scat' sound, just can't seem to pull it off like this. It's always fun to have a little jam on!


We'll forget about all the keybed clicks and clacks, I'm sold!!! I'm taking my wife to SamAsh today for Mother's Day to buy me a Roland RD2000!!! Just kidding lol. But man that is surely the way to make that sound entertaining. Nice playing bro!

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Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: RolandRD2000] #2643236
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Originally Posted by RolandRD2000
Incase anybody wondered, YES, the famous Roland "Jazz Scat" sound has made it into the RD-2000!! Ha! The key reason to purchase any Roland wink ... One of the most hilarious tacky sounds in the world, but I love it haha. Every other keyboard that has a 'scat' sound, just can't seem to pull it off like this. It's always fun to have a little jam on!


That was great; thanks!

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Originally Posted by RolandRD2000
Incase anybody wondered, YES, the famous Roland "Jazz Scat" sound has made it into the RD-2000!! Ha! The key reason to purchase any Roland wink ...]
+100 Very well for study the swing feel!

Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: brooster] #2643429
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Thank you everyone for the kind words! smile Haha yeah, unfortunately the hilarious jazz scat sound doesn't cancel out the bugs and issues we may be finding!!

Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: brooster] #2643530
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Nicely played James!

Where did the percussion come from, may I asked?


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Thanks Kawai James! smile

I just manually played that in over the top of what I recorded, using an addictive drums plug-in as the sound source! So I didn't actually get any of that groove to play over when recording the scat annoyingly!

I'm noticing an interesting bug people, when changing custom programs, some of the LED encoders aren't going to where they should be. For example, if I set the Reverb send to 20, the LED light is showing it at full 127 (even though it's sounding where it should be) and I'm having to move the LED encoder to get it to 'reset' to the position it should be at... therefore completely defeating the purposes of having lights around the knobs!!

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Originally Posted by RolandRD2000
I just manually played that in over the top of what I recorded, using an addictive drums plug-in as the sound source! So I didn't actually get any of that groove to play over when recording the scat annoyingly!


Ah, nicely done! The drum samples (especially the cymbals) sound great.

Did you have any metronome/tempo guide when recording the scat parts initially?

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I'm liking the RD-2000 but the key bed feels almost like the fatar key bed of the Kurzweil Forte, not a bad thing just not on par with the great AP feel of the RD-700 & RD-800. With the sliders and key bed action it's almost a Forte replacement but the Kurz KB3 organ is superior. I'm crossing my fingers the AXIAL site will have an organ that will upgrade the onboard organ on the RD-2000... Roland you do this & the Forte has met it's match!! smile

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I dropped off my RD 2000 at my local dealer (Klundert Muziek in Oisterwijk) and they couldn't have been nicer.

They will hand deliver the keyboard to Roland in Belgium next Monday.

My initial reason for contacting Roland was the update issue and then I also saw that the AUTO OFF (MENU \ SYSTEM scroll all the way down) didn't work as expected ... and then I discovered the key clicking that primarily affected the B keys and some of the A keys. The floor model's action didn't display that fault at all.

I should add that even though I've owned the keyboard for a month or so, I didn't start playing it as a real piano until a few days ago. I was more busy with learning the keyboard's operating system than actually playing it.

I'm certain the outcome will be fine. I'll report back when I know more.


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Bonners Roland RD2000 Stage Piano Walkthrough

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Originally Posted by brooster
Bonners Roland RD2000 Stage Piano Walkthrough

Roland RD2000 Stage Piano Walkthrough The Important Features


You realise they are just trying to sell the instrument...

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Bonners Roland RD2000 Stage Piano Walkthrough

Roland RD2000 Stage Piano Walkthrough The Important Features


You realise they are just trying to sell the instrument...



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And Yes he has no banana...


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The most disappointing thing this year was the Roland RD-2000 at NAMM 2017.



Good of you to keep re-posting this inaccurate comment.

As I have said before (Did you reply? I didn't look) you can make this comment about Steinway and Bosendorfer, most people can live with that.



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