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Kawai CN-25/35 vs Roland HP504 vc Yamaha YDP163/CLP525/535 #2602844
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Hi everyone.

Been following the forum for some time, but only now registered. Regardless of the answers on this particular topic, thanks everyone for their contributions that make this a quintessential forum when talking about pianos smile

My post is the most traditional one... which piano should I buy? To give you some context, I'm 36 years old, I'm from Portugal and I've never had any digital piano before. I only own a very old keyboard (a Yamaha PSR-200 with over 20 years, still working), but on these last year I've been progressively playing more and more and it is something I really enjoy doing.

I am a complete amateur (never had any formal classes), but I'm able to play pieces from two of my favourite composers: Yann Tiersen and Ludovico Einaudi. For instance, the last music I learnt was the beautiful Porz Goret, and I'm now polishing my Penn Ar Roch interpretation.

I certainly feel the need to have more expression (for me playing is something really emotional and personal), and now I want to go to weighted keys and pedals, and therefore I want to buy a digital piano as a "self" birthday gift. I live in an apartment and I'm a father of two, so I want the flexibility to be able to use headphones, but I would also enjoy good built-in speakers. Since I don't need portability, I would prefer piano with the furniture embedded.

My initial budget was around 1000€. The most repeated advice was to actually go to stores and try the pianos to listen to their sounds and feel their touch. I've done that and in some cases spent more than 2 hours just playing (and having the owners of the store saying that they were enjoying, eheh).

These are the models that I was able to play on and the best price tags that I saw (among all the stores that I went):

Yahama
YDP-143: 699€
YDP-163: 955€
CLP-525: 1250€
CLP-535: 1600€ [the only one I did not play]

Kawai
CN-25: 1125€
CN-35: 1390€

Roland
RP501R: 1000€
HP504: 1400€

All pianos were good, but the ones I enjoyed less were the YDP-143 and the RP501R, in the sense that the keys felt a lot more plastic (all the other had some kind of ivory feel). I also felt that the YDP-163 had "heavier" keys that felt "harder" to play, if you know what I mean. Although the CLP-525 should have the same GHIII mechanism as the YDP163, it felt better. Still, I preferred the touch of the Kawais and the Roland HP504. Regarding sound, I think I'm more used to the Yahama's, but I also enjoyed both the Kawai and Roland and felt that they provided more possible customizations.

These are the two factors that mean more to me: touch and the sound. Nevertheless, some extras would be nice. For instance, the interface on the Kawai and the Roland is way easier than the one in the YDPs or the CLP-525 (good for me and my son). Other example is the choice to actually record a song directly into a USB stick as a "sound file", which I would enjoy (available in the HP504 or the CN35). The amount of instrument sounds is also larger in these two, which it would be a nice plus.

I know this a matter of personal taste, but I would love to hear opinions on people than own any of these digital pianos. At the moment I'm divided between the CN-35 and the HP-504. They are more expensive that what I was initially planning, but those were the two that I most enjoyed to play with. I'm a little bit hesitant to compare to the CLP-535 because it is more expensive, but I would consider it would be clearly better.

So, what are your opinions? Thanks in advance!

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Re: Kaway CN-25/35 vs Roland HP504 vc Yamaha YDP163/CLP525/535 [Re: TiersenFan] #2602851
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If you have the CN35 on your shortlist, you should check out the CN37 that has just been announced (next gen model). See announcement post here in this forum. Could be that the new model tips the scales for you, or that maybe you can get the older model cheaper now that the new model has been announced, which could also tip the scales.

Re: Kaway CN-25/35 vs Roland HP504 vc Yamaha YDP163/CLP525/535 [Re: TiersenFan] #2602907
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CN35 also has 256 voices polyphony versus 128 in HP-504 - in case it matters to you. I believe both models are pretty good and both are on my list as well. My advice is - focus on your feelings and go with piano you like more. None of them is mistake so buy the one which makes you happy.

BTW: Is CN-35 for 1390€ and HP504 for 1400€ some special offer or standard price in the store? Seems to me as quite low.

Re: Kaway CN-25/35 vs Roland HP504 vc Yamaha YDP163/CLP525/535 [Re: Sekel] #2602916
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It might worth to wait a bit with CN-35 prices, CN-37 is likely to push them down a bit...


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Originally Posted by Jasper E.
It might worth to wait a bit with CN-35 prices, CN-37 is likely to push them down a bit...


Possibly, however Kawai dealers will have known about the new models for a little while, so may have already reduced their prices in order to clear inventory. For example, I know of one UK dealer that has already sold their CN25/CN35 stock and is waiting for the new models to be shipped from Kawai UK in order to fulfil customer's orders.

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Re: Kaway CN-25/35 vs Roland HP504 vc Yamaha YDP163/CLP525/535 [Re: TiersenFan] #2603016
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Hello TiersenFan, welcome to the forum.

As others have noted, if you are considering the CN35, I strongly recommend that you also consider the recently announced CN37. The new model has all the features of the CN35, while adding new Shigeru Kawai grand and K-60 upright piano sounds, Bluetooth MIDI, more Virtual Technician customisation, an enhanced headphone listening experience, and improved user interface.

That being said, NAMM is just around the corner, and we may find that Roland announces an update to the HP504, with Yamaha also expected to announce new Clavinova models at Musikmesse later in the year.

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Re: Kaway CN-25/35 vs Roland HP504 vc Yamaha YDP163/CLP525/535 [Re: TiersenFan] #2603334
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Thanks for all the comments. I guess all the models I "short listed" are from 2015 and hence they are on the verge of becoming "discontinued" and substituted for new pianos.

Can anyone with a Kawai CN-35, Roland HP504 or a Yamaha CLP-535 give me their personal experience with those pianos?

Thanks!

Re: Kaway CN-25/35 vs Roland HP504 vc Yamaha YDP163/CLP525/535 [Re: Sekel] #2603360
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Originally Posted by Sekel

BTW: Is CN-35 for 1390€ and HP504 for 1400€ some special offer or standard price in the store? Seems to me as quite low.

Both prices were given only locally and were not present in their websites. In both cases (different stores) they said it was a very good offer and it was only valid at this time, so I guess I can call them "special offers".

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I narrowed down to those exact same pianos, and went with the Kawai. The Roland felt a little too muddy through the speakers, and something about the action didn't quite sit right with me. They're both great pianos though - if I'd been all about the jazz and pop I'd have probably gone with the HP504, but the CN35 felt and sounded more elegant to me.

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Today, I was at the store to lay my fingers at Roland and Kawai. Unfortunatelly, no Kawai was present, but I had good oportunity to play Roland RP401, RP501, HP504 and HP603.
From those I would buy either RP401 or HP603. RP401 for its very good price at the moment (~900 EUR) and HP603 for being at least one level higher instrument from those I tested.
RP501 is basically just a copy of RP401 suplied with bluetooth. And it even raised in price during last week. HP504 is probably a bit better than RP series piano, but difference was not that obvious to me. Quality gap between HP504 and HP603 is definitelly worth 300 EUR extra for HP603.

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Originally Posted by Kawai James

That being said, NAMM is just around the corner, and we may find that Roland announces an update to the HP504, with Yamaha also expected to announce new Clavinova models at Musikmesse later in the year.



... and what of Kawai, CA-69 on the horizon perhaps? smile

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Originally Posted by G-now-p-man
... and what of Kawai, CA-69 on the horizon perhaps? smile


There are no plans for a CA69 at the moment, unfortunately. However, I'm looking forward to working on the marketing materials if/when the product enters development. wink



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Just a brief update. I went today to the stores and I could not get a lower price for the Kawai CN-35 (1390€). For the Roland HP-504, they now include an adjustable bench for the 1400€ price tag. Further complicating things, I was able to get offered a 1450€ deal for the Yahama CLP-535... I am very much undecided on which DP should I go.

From a pure keyboard action point of view, I enjoyed all 3 keyboards, with perhaps a slight advantage for Roland HP-504.

From a sound point of view, with the default setting I enjoyed a little bit more the Clavinova 535 (I know I can explore the settings to customize the sound to something I prefer), while the Roland seemed to be a little bit more "muddy". But I'm more used to Yahama sounds...

From the interface point of view, all pianos were nice, with a small display incorporated, but perhaps the CN-35 was a little bit more "cheap"? All three models include direct WAV/MP3 record to an USB memory stick, which is something I would like to have.

I know all three options are good, and I will be well served with any of them, but can you give any more information that could help me decide? Thanks in advance!

EDIT: forgot to say that the best warranty is for Roland HP-504: 10 years!

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Originally Posted by TiersenFan

I know all three options are good, and I will be well served with any of them, but can you give any more information that could help me decide? Thanks in advance!

Seems like perfect time for your own decision.

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Thanks, Sekel. I guess you are right, but it's always a dilemma...

One last question. I tried the HP 603 (really enjoyed it) and I was able to obtain a 1700€ price (vs 1400€ for the HP 504).

Do you think the difference is worthwhile 300€?

From what I could see (603 vs 504):
- "Age": 603 is newer than 504
- Sound: Modelling vs Sampling
- Touch: PHA-50 vs PHA-4
- Keys: Wood and Plastic Hybrid vs Plastic only (both with ivory feel and escapement)
- Polyphony: infinite vs 128
- 603 has more key sensitivity settings
- 603 has bluetooth



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I bought my piano 1 week ago, so I went through this already. If I had a chance to buy new Roland HP603 for 1700 EUR I would probably do it. Since I was unable to find such offer I bought Kawai CN35 for 1300 EUR.

Still, those are my thoughts for my conditions and expectations linked with my price triggers. I am absolutely sure that for me and my family CN35 was the right choice. Now it is your turn.

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Originally Posted by Sekel
I bought my piano 1 week ago, so I went through this already. If I had a chance to buy new Roland HP603 for 1700 EUR I would probably do it. Since I was unable to find such offer I bought Kawai CN35 for 1300 EUR.

Still, those are my thoughts for my conditions and expectations linked with my price triggers. I am absolutely sure that for me and my family CN35 was the right choice. Now it is your turn.


I agree. In the end, go with your gut. One can go crazy comparing specs as if they all are equally important, and they're not. Also, don't worry so much about if it's the latest model or the previous one, unless you don't like the previous one.

It is always good to go with the best piano in the price range, but if you're going up to 1700 EUR then maybe check out the CA17 if that's available in your area. I can't check on prices to know what they'd be for you since it's not available in the US.


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Hello TiersenFan,

Regarding this point:

Originally Posted by TiersenFan
All three models include direct WAV/MP3 record to an USB memory stick, which is something I would like to have.


It's perhaps worth noting that the Kawai supports WAV *and* MP3 record/playback. The Yamaha and Roland models only support WAV record/playback. Granted, WAV<-->MP3 conversion is not so difficult using a computer, but is an extra step that may need to be considered.

Also, while I appreciate that you are mainly considering older models, I would still strongly recommend you try the latest CN37.

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Thanks again, Sekel, Morodiene and Kawai James.

Regarding the 1700€ price tag it's really too much, and I will have to leave for another day. I was planning to have a ~1000€ budget, and now I'm already really stretching out to 1500€, and I want to see what I can get for around that price (piano+bench+headphones).

Out of curiosity, Kawai James (you are always very helpful in the forum, and always nice to everyone... thanks for that!), I asked for the CN-37, and the local store told me that they talked with the portuguese supplier, and there were no guarantees to when they would be able to get it (he said that only perhaps at the end of the year he could get it, and that probably he would still include CN-35 in the next order).

I will need to decide myself, and just go with it. My plan now is to spend at least an hour with each of the three pianos (CN-35, HP-504 and CLP-535) so that I can really try everything again, including using the interface, testing some of the different sounds and customization features, playing the type of music I currently enjoy playing and perhaps even play with headphones to see how it goes.

I'll post here when I decide, but I'm sure I'll be happy with any of the 3 pianos. My dilemma is just that I don't have a clear "winner" smile

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Hello TiersenFan, thank you for your kind words. wink

Originally Posted by TiersenFan
I asked for the CN-37, and the local store told me that they talked with the portuguese supplier, and there were no guarantees to when they would be able to get it (he said that only perhaps at the end of the year he could get it, and that probably he would still include CN-35 in the next order).


Ah, I see. Perhaps the distributor still has CN35 inventory remain that they wish to sell before bringing in the CN37?

Best of luck with your choice! wink

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Ok, now I've spent the desired 30m to 60m with each piano. In the case of the Roland and the Yahama I was even able to use them on the same store and "quickly" switch to test similar settings and "see" the differences. I am lucky to live in a relatively small city (150 thousands on the city and suburbs) with relatively large music stores. One in particular has a special location with over 6000m2 just for pianos, include two areas of that part just for Roland and Yahama digital pianos.

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Out of curiosity, and again, this is just my personal (and completely amateur opinion):

Key Action:
HP-504 > CN-35 > CLP-535
I felt more "at home" with the Roland and connected more with it. It felt "easier" on the hand, with the "correct weight" (I tested some acoustic pianos also). It just seem more "natural" to my hands. The Yahama was the "worst" (stil CLP is much better than the YDP line), because to me it felt harder, or stiffer. Kawai was in between, but it felt more "spongy" in a sense.

Piano Sound/Engine:
CLP-535 > HP-504 = Kawai CN-35
I think I'm biased, because "everyone" I know has a Yamaha and therefore I'm more used to it (my keyaboard is a Yahama PSR-200). Nevertheless, for the types of music I play (Yann Tiersen, Ludovico Einaudi) I enjoyed more the CLP sound. It just felt "richer" and "brighter". In any case, I could somehow mitigate the feeling a little by messing around with the configurations, reverb and brilliance of the Roland and Kawai, and by experimenting other piano sounds (not just the default).

Speakers:
CN-35 > CLP 535 > HP-504
I enjoyed more the Kawai (but beause it was on another store, the acoustics were also different, in a "smaller" room). It felt more powerful and more "involving" and "all around me". The Roland was the which I felt more "muddy" in some sense.

Headphones:
HP-504 > CN-35 = CLP-535
Headphones felt more rewarding (when comparing to speakers) in the Roland because I could much more clearly feel the dynamics and it did not feel too much as being with headphones (maybe due to their 3D technology?)


This may help to explain why I'm in a dilemma. The three factors that I tried to value more have different "winners". I would like a DP with Roland key action, Yamaha sound and Kawai 4 speakers smile

In the end, I'm leaning to the HP-504, because I felt more connection to action, which I feel as very important to me, as the player, although I think it may not be as enjoyable to someone listening when compared to the other two.

Does my opinion coincide with others, or do you think differently?

I should end by really emphasizing the most important message everyone in here was telling me: go and try for ourself! Forget the brand, the "raw" specs, the "advice" from the sellers, and just play it for yourself and feel. You also have your own goals, your own music preferences and your own budget. Everyone has their own preferences and for me, playing piano is something like an "organic" thing, and you should definitely try to see what suits YOU better.


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I think it is no surprise that you like the CN35 speakers best, it has four speakers and that really beats the HP504 and CLP535, no surprise.

I like the CN35 action over the HP504, but I agree that the CLP535 is the worst of the three :-) But they are all good.

I also like the Kawai sound over Roland over Yamaha. I find the Yamaha sound too bright/brilliant. But the Boesendorfer sound of the CLP535 I like a lot as well.

Headphones, here I have not done much testing. But I know that when I moved from 30-40EUR headphones to the Sennheiser HP598, that was such as massive difference...

Looks like its going to be a hard decision for you :-) I have a friend with a HP504 and he is still very happy after 2 years and they Yamaha is good, too. You you can not really go wrong.


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I would start with dismissing Yamaha CLP-535.
1) You can play with sound setting of other pianos to adjust it more to your liking.
2) With virtual software piano you can get much better sound anyway.
3) Not buying Roland HP603 for 1700 EUR and buying CLP-535 for 1600 EUR instead is just kind of crazy.

To confuse you even more - I would suggest you to try new Kawai CN27. Comparing to CN35 - it has new SK concert grand and EX concert grand sounds + Spatial Headphone Sound feature which could matter in your case. And while it has only 2 speakers against 4 speakers of CN35, the overall speaker power is still bigger than in Roland HP504. Thomann eshop price 1329 EUR would comfortably fit into your budget even with some local store margin.

Now lets say that CN27 piano just does not work for you and you are left with HP504 and CN35, unable to decide which piano you like more:

- go with piano you like more. Somewhere inside of you - just behind all this feature comparing - is picture of the piano you actually WANT TO BUY.

- try to switch your logic and start to looking for things/features you just do not like. The "least irritating" piano wins.

- flip the coin

As I see it, you did good job with narrowing your selection. Now its time to stop waisting time. Its time to start playing. So grab the one of your choice and move on.
If you want a way better action or speaker power go with higher model pianos. In case you want a way better sound or headphone experience, go with VST pianos.
There is not much else to win...

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Re: Kaway CN-25/35 vs Roland HP504 vc Yamaha YDP163/CLP525/535 [Re: Sekel] #2613620
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Thanks for the comments guys, and for all the good advices smile

Sekel, I only re-entered CLP-535 on the picture because they made me an offer of selling it for 1420€ on a "promotion" they are now doing.

Regarding CN-27, unfortunately it is not going to be a possibility, as the portuguese distribution, apparently, is not going to sell the new models (both 27 and 37) until the end of the year (or at least that is the story they told me). I could order online, but I would honestly prefer to buy it locally (both for boosting stores I've bought some instruments before, and because of possible "better" support).

In my mind I have already settled with the Roland HP-504 (unless the other store give me a very good offer on the Kawai CN-35), because, as I said, I connected more with it in terms of key action, but I wanted to share my thought process. My only hesitation now was the temptation to go a little bit further to the HP-603, but that would also open doors for other possibilities and 1400€ is already "over budget" for me.

In any case, any of the options, I'm sure, would be nice and would provide me with the perfect tool to improve over what I have at home right now (I don't have at the moment weighted keys and pedals). But it was nice to go the stores, try pianos, see the differences and learn a little bit. There were some high level acoustic pianos I tried that were just delightful to play in. Even in my completely amateur and novice level, the difference to the digital pianos was very noticeable. I asked them to let me play in their best acoustic piano in the house and I was mesmerized by the experience and the much more "organic" feeling of the sound...

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Re: Kaway CN-25/35 vs Roland HP504 vc Yamaha YDP163/CLP525/535 [Re: TiersenFan] #2613627
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My 2 additional cents, FWIW

As you say the key thing here is, anything with weighted keys will be a massive improvement for a start, whatever it is, I can't possibly imagine playing Tiersen or Einaudi without that so you'll enjoy that improvement.

I am in your boat in ways, while not played much Tiersen, quite a bit of Einaudi at a primitive level. Personally I do like the CLP sound engine more than the Kawai too when I tried them in shops, but to each their own, you can only make that choice for yourself.

I tried both in shops, the top end models, CLP 585 575 and CA 67 and HP 603, 605 LX series, but not the Kawai with the soundboard, so can't vouch for the lesser models and the CA97, but some of these are all well above your budget.

I leaned towards the yammies or roland, for me they excel in different ways in different areas of their sound engine, for example, for outright tone/timbre and rounded tone the yammies win for me, but then things like all resonances you get from the newer rolands, they win that battle.

and .. bad idea to get started with the acoustics .. or not laugh , I share your sentiment, but once you get a taste for those it is hard to look back. I just can't quite love any of the digital sounds to date enough for me to justify the price tag in my head for any of the top end models, at least compared to other options out there with software I have now at a fraction of the price. At least, for me that's true out of the the ones I tried to date, so the way to go at this point in time is software for piano sounds in terms of bang for buck, that's just my personal opinion however, many will say differently, and some will say the same around here.

If I had to pick an all in one box console solution today though, the roland LX17 or CLP 585 or the Casio GP Hybrid would all be serious contenders for me, but given your budget that's out.

If you don't mind a heavier feeling action, but a very nice feeling keyboard action, I'd also strongly suggest researching a bit more, something like a VPC1 kawai midi controller with software is in reach with your budget too. Assuming you already got a half decent computer to use, and some decent headphones, you 'll only need to buy a software instrument, an extra sort of 80 - 200 euros depending on what, and you can always add monitors/speakers later.

That said, whatever you buy out the list you already have, there is enough in there to have fun with and enjoy no doubt smile


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Re: Kaway CN-25/35 vs Roland HP504 vc Yamaha YDP163/CLP525/535 [Re: TiersenFan] #2614377
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Originally Posted by TiersenFan

Regarding CN-27, unfortunately it is not going to be a possibility, as the portuguese distribution, apparently, is not going to sell the new models (both 27 and 37) until the end of the year (or at least that is the story they told me). I could order online, but I would honestly prefer to buy it locally (both for boosting stores I've bought some instruments before, and because of possible "better" support).

I absolutely support you with decision buying locally. Moreover, the price offers you got for Roland and Yamaha are pretty amazing. I was not able to get anywhere close. Such local store support is pure pleasure....
As for CN27, if your store will not sell it this year (no matter how strange that sounds) than thats it. I guess, after all your effort with piano testing, blind eshop buy seems unlikely :-)


Re: Kaway CN-25/35 vs Roland HP504 vc Yamaha YDP163/CLP525/535 [Re: TiersenFan] #2616760
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Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who contributed in this topic.

I have now ordered the Roland HP-504 smile Perhaps as soon as next thursday I will already have it in my home... Can't wait for it!


Re: Kawai CN-25/35 vs Roland HP504 vc Yamaha YDP163/CLP525/535 [Re: TiersenFan] #2643759
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Two months and a half later, just wanted to share that I absolutely love the HP-504 and play on it daily smile

Obviously, I still think that the other options would also be good, but in my personal case I was really happy with the choice I made... Here is an example of me playing on it (a complete amateur, I know, but still I think music is about feeling, and how you can express it, even if you are a mere beginner)



Next I'll try to learn "Amar pelos Dois", Portugal's (my country) song that just won the Eurovision Song Contest in a beautiful melody consisting almost solely on voice and piano smile

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Re: Kawai CN-25/35 vs Roland HP504 vc Yamaha YDP163/CLP525/535 [Re: TiersenFan] #2643906
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Thank you for following up with how you like your piano now that you have had it for a few months, and also for sharing your playing. It seems like you made a very good match!


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