Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2.7 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Best of Piano Buyer
 Best of Piano Buyer
(ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
Find a Professional
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Advertise on Piano World

(ad)
Accu-Tuner
Sanderson Accu-Tuner
Who's Online Now
77 registered members (Cheshire Chris, Bobetski, clothearednincompo, Bett, BoyFromBoonton, cliowa, cmb13, 16 invisible), 841 guests, and 6 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords & Scales
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Roland LX17 #2641597
05/09/17 04:13 AM
05/09/17 04:13 AM
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 66
UK
Jerzyk19 Offline OP
Full Member
Jerzyk19  Offline OP
Full Member

Joined: May 2017
Posts: 66
UK
Welcome everybody.
It is my first post on the forum. I am beginner piano player.
Does anybody have experience playing on LX17. All opinions are welcome.


My You Tube Channel
Roland LX17
(ad) ROLAND

Click Here

Re: Roland LX17 [Re: Jerzyk19] #2641628
05/09/17 07:52 AM
05/09/17 07:52 AM
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 1,194
Cheshire, United Kingdom
Doug M. Online content
1000 Post Club Member
Doug M.  Online Content
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 1,194
Cheshire, United Kingdom
It is one of the best digital pianos available, competing with:

Kawai CS11
Casio GP500
Yamaha CLP600

It's main advantages:
1) Uses piano modelling (not sampling) which makes for a much better dynamic playing experience.
2) The speakers and amp system are very good (I liked the Roland amp/speaker system over the mentioned competitors).
3) The action is nearly as good as the CS11's.

Main disadvantages
1) Expensive---You can get the same action and sound quality in a cheaper stage piano (RD2000, FP-90) and simply buy kick ass monitors (however, this experience won't be as good).
2) Not portable
3) Action not as good as the CS11, and this is the main sticking point for advanced players.

If you are looking for the best digital piano experience, then the Avant Grand N3X plus pianoteq would be the bee's knees. Another overpriced behemoth is the V-piano grand (also very good).


Instruments: Current - Kawai MP7; Past - Yamaha PSR7000
Software: Sibelius 7; Neuratron Photoscore Pro 8
Stand: K&M 18953 Table-style Stage Piano Stand
Re: Roland LX17 [Re: Jerzyk19] #2641661
05/09/17 09:27 AM
05/09/17 09:27 AM
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 532
B
Beakybird Offline
500 Post Club Member
Beakybird  Offline
500 Post Club Member
B

Joined: May 2014
Posts: 532
I have the Roland FP90 which, through headphones, is the same playing experience as the LX17. I also have Pianoteq Standard, and I spent a few hundred more on add-ons - Bluthner, Model B, Grotian, etc.

I like the FP90 modeled pianos more than the Pianoteq pianos. They sound absolutely fantastic to my ears.

I played a top of the line Kawai (it was either a CS11 or CA97) on the same day as I played an LX17. The Kawai had much better room placement. The LX17 was flush against a wall and another piano to the side while the Kawai was in the middle of the showroom. The Kawai sounded better. I am a professional keyboardist but not a virtuoso pianist. I could not feel any superiority in the Kawai action.

I would check out all the top of the line models and get what suits you most.

I love the feel and sound of my FP90. But if I had the $$, I would get a DP with an incredible speaker system like the LX17.


Roland FP-90; Pianoteq 6 + many add-ons; 2 Yamaha HS8s; ATH-M50X and Samson SR850 headphones; Xenyx Q802USB interface. 2; I make a living playing a Yamaha PSR-S970 with FBT Maxx 2a's, Crowne Headset Mic. I also play guitar.
Re: Roland LX17 [Re: Jerzyk19] #2641679
05/09/17 10:15 AM
05/09/17 10:15 AM
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 251
Zilthy Offline
Full Member
Zilthy  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 251
I am a beginner, and I have the LX17.

I also compared the Roland HP605, and the Kawai CA97 and CS11. I originally went with the HP605, but I ended up going with the LX17.

The modeling was one of the big reasons I went with the LX17 over the CS11. Samples can and do sound better. Modeling has the edge on dynamics and long sustains. One thing that I am coming to really appreciate about the LX17/modeling that I have not seen in reviews, is it's ability to make some awful and awkward sounds when you make a mistake, much like a real piano. That is something that I have not seen sampled pianos replicate.

As far as the difference between the other Roland digital pianos, the speaker system in the LX17 is what did it for me. I did not want a stage piano and monitors (neither for aesthetics or for sound which is a different experience) and the HP605 and LX7 both were a bit subdued, something like a blanket over the speakers. And not so much that it is bad, but the LX17 has a more open sound. Opening the top lid for the top two speakers actually makes a good bit of difference in the sound.

In that price range, whether Roland, Kawai or Yamaha, you really cannot go wrong. But those are the reasons I went with the LX17.

Admittedly, I have only had mine a couple of months, and I a may be in the honeymoon phase (But I doubt it, I tend to get over those really fast) and I still love it. It feels great to play it, and I feel really connected to it while playing. If I want a good sampled sound (which would only be for recording for me) I can pick up a software sample like Garritan CFX or something else, and record with that over MIDI (and record the audio from my LX17 at the same time if I desire).

It's also looks *great* in the living room. smile

(ad)
Piano & Music Accessories
piano accessories music gifts tuning and moving equipment
Re: Roland LX17 [Re: Jerzyk19] #2641699
05/09/17 11:35 AM
05/09/17 11:35 AM
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 597
Usa
G
Grandman Offline
500 Post Club Member
Grandman  Offline
500 Post Club Member
G

Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 597
Usa
The pedal system in the LX17 is very good. It allows for a progressive pedal effect and is the only DP i am aware of that muddies the sound if you keep it depressed and the settings are correct.

Re: Roland LX17 [Re: Grandman] #2641704
05/09/17 11:47 AM
05/09/17 11:47 AM
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,363
Twin Cities
T
TonyB Offline
1000 Post Club Member
TonyB  Offline
1000 Post Club Member
T

Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,363
Twin Cities
Originally Posted by Grandman
The pedal system in the LX17 is very good. It allows for a progressive pedal effect and is the only DP i am aware of that muddies the sound if you keep it depressed and the settings are correct.


To me, it is learning to handle the sustain pedal that has been an important issue not adequately addressed in many DPs. It was one of the reasons I bought the V-Grand. It acts more like a "real" piano in certain important respects. I am glad to read that Roland has been trickling down these capabilities into newer product lines. I have no intention of replacing the V-Grand unless it breaks down and can't be repaired, but it is really nice to know that suitable replacements are available in the new Roland DPs. Also, it is great that folks can get in on this technology at a much lower price point now. My V-Grand takes up half my condo living room. An LX series would give me much of my room back, though the V-Grand sound system is worth it. smile

Tony


Re: Roland LX17 [Re: Grandman] #2641709
05/09/17 12:09 PM
05/09/17 12:09 PM
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 2,744
G
Gombessa Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Gombessa  Offline
2000 Post Club Member
G

Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 2,744
Originally Posted by Grandman
The pedal system in the LX17 is very good. It allows for a progressive pedal effect and is the only DP i am aware of that muddies the sound if you keep it depressed and the settings are correct.


I haven't gotten enough time on a SN-modeled piano to speak to it, but I can say that on Kawai's HI-XL pianos, you can DEFINITELY muddy the sound to an unbearable wash by over-pedaling. I think I pushed up the sustain and damper resonance settings a bit in Virtual Technician, but my goal was to replicate the same effect on the acoustic grand and uprights I also play, and I can get it just right (such that my pedaling is the same on the DP as on the acoustics).

It's even more noticeable if I go to a piano that has shortish sustains (a Yamaha NU1)--it almost feels like the pedal is broken because you can hold it down without penalty.


Yamaha P-85, P-105, CP50, Kawai MP11 || Kawai NV-10
Re: Roland LX17 [Re: Jerzyk19] #2641726
05/09/17 01:07 PM
05/09/17 01:07 PM
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 34
Massachusetts
W
WoodenKeys Offline
Full Member
WoodenKeys  Offline
Full Member
W

Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 34
Massachusetts
I tried out both the LX-17 and the CS11. To me the CS11 sounded demonstrably better (through the speaker system--I didn't test headphones). I really did not feel a noticeable difference in the action. I have had the CS11 for almost 6-months now and honestly have no regrets about the decision. My teacher, who is a Master's Degree graduate of Berklee was blown away by the sound including the lower bass notes, probably due to the sound board. Try both and any others you are interested in and then make your decision. It is not a small investment so take your time.

Re: Roland LX17 [Re: WoodenKeys] #2641743
05/09/17 01:55 PM
05/09/17 01:55 PM
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,363
Twin Cities
T
TonyB Offline
1000 Post Club Member
TonyB  Offline
1000 Post Club Member
T

Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,363
Twin Cities
Originally Posted by WoodenKeys
Try both and any others you are interested in and then make your decision. It is not a small investment so take your time.


This is a VERY important point. At this level of DP, we are not talking about something you can just take down to the local Guitar Center and trade off if we get tired of it. This is a long term investment, and folks need to be sure that what they are buying is right for them for quite some time to come.

Tony



Last edited by TonyB; 05/09/17 01:55 PM.
Re: Roland LX17 [Re: Jerzyk19] #2641748
05/09/17 02:38 PM
05/09/17 02:38 PM
Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 1,445
UK
A
Alexander Borro Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Alexander Borro  Offline
1000 Post Club Member
A

Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 1,445
UK
Going back and forth is well worth it a few visits if you can, and if you don't need to buy now, but will buy in the future or near future ( IMO ). Also compare with competing brands rather than deciding beforehand on one make/model, then see how it goes over time. I've been doing this for a while now, learn a few pieces, then play them on the various pianos and see which ones grow on you.

No doubt the lx17 is a great instrument but given its price and also the sound engine the more I played it in the shop, the less I liked it. The speakers/sound system are as good as you are going to get in a console, it looks very nice, very enjoyable to play but personally I found it to wear on me after a while. The resonance/sustain may be great, but the tone I am not a fan of the more I played it, this also applies when I hear good pianists on it, so it just can't be my crap ability, just not quite my taste of a nice piano sound for the cost especially as along term investment. Of course, we are all different and you may grow to love it as time goes by, but when I compare that to other software instrument I use regularly I do not have that issue.

On the opposite side, the Kawais grew more on me as time went by, I clicked with it more and more each time, I did not like it much at all to begin with, it is probably what I would buy if I traded today, not something I would have said to myself 6 months to a year ago.

Personally I would just stick with software instruments anyway, and pianoteq offers modelled sound anyway when I want that for practising, which is fine for me and I am happy enough with it for a fraction of the cost. To me the build in sound engines in these pianos are not that important a consideration, however, if you are going to stick with the build in sounds as your only sound source, then, it's an important decision to make if you are going to live with it for years to come.

Good luck in your decision. smile

Last edited by Alexander Borro; 05/09/17 02:38 PM.

Selftaught since June 2014.
Books: Barratt classic piano course bk 1,2,3. Humphries Piano handbook, various...
Kawai CA78, Casio AP450 & software pianos.
[Linked Image] 12x ABF recitals.
My struggles: https://soundcloud.com/alexander-borro
Re: Roland LX17 [Re: Jerzyk19] #2641765
05/09/17 03:15 PM
05/09/17 03:15 PM
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 597
Usa
G
Grandman Offline
500 Post Club Member
Grandman  Offline
500 Post Club Member
G

Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 597
Usa
Never tried the cs11, but from the comments on this forum, it sounds like an outstanding DP. This review highlighted some flaws in the ca67, perhaps specifically with sampled pianos in general. Then again, this could be a user specific problem.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9vyhy3LysEU

Re: Roland LX17 [Re: Grandman] #2641766
05/09/17 03:23 PM
05/09/17 03:23 PM
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 2,744
G
Gombessa Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Gombessa  Offline
2000 Post Club Member
G

Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 2,744
Originally Posted by Grandman
Never tried the cs11, but from the comments on this forum, it sounds like an outstanding DP. This review highlighted some flaws in the ca67, perhaps specifically with sampled pianos in general.


Hi Grandman, you're probably already aware, but i think the ca-67 and CS11 share the same sound engine and piano tones, so something that affects one should affect the other, unless the difference is in the speaker config (or as you note it may be a one-off issue).


Yamaha P-85, P-105, CP50, Kawai MP11 || Kawai NV-10
Re: Roland LX17 [Re: Gombessa] #2641781
05/09/17 04:01 PM
05/09/17 04:01 PM
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 217
J
Jasper E. Offline
Full Member
Jasper E.  Offline
Full Member
J

Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 217
I guess you meant CA97 and CS11. CA67 has no soundboard and is like the CS8...

Re: Roland LX17 [Re: Jasper E.] #2641800
05/09/17 05:30 PM
05/09/17 05:30 PM
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 2,744
G
Gombessa Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Gombessa  Offline
2000 Post Club Member
G

Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 2,744
Originally Posted by Jasper E.
I guess you meant CA97 and CS11. CA67 has no soundboard and is like the CS8...


Well, here are the problems the user mentioned:

1. The Kawai logo is falling off? Weird, but that sounds like a one-off issue.

2. Cabinet resonance--that's got to be model-specific, and probably impacted by the acoustics of the space too. That it affects a CA67 has no real bearing on how a CS11 would respond (and I'd bet the CS11's soundboard would indeed behave differently from a cabinet resonance perspective).

3. Individually sampled key characteristics. He hears differences in the quality of the tones in certain keys. Which IS something you'll get with sampling (any imperfections with the sampled piano will get recorded by the sample), and this one would likely affect the CS11 as much as it does the CA67, and also the CA97, CS8, and any other HI-XL Kawai that uses the same sample set (which I assume is the SK-EX). He actually says it's not a real problem, just something he notices. And I imagine unless you have a grand that is perfectly tuned and voiced at all times, you're likely to hear exactly that on any AP.


Yamaha P-85, P-105, CP50, Kawai MP11 || Kawai NV-10
Re: Roland LX17 [Re: Jerzyk19] #2641823
05/09/17 07:05 PM
05/09/17 07:05 PM
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 37
I
Inero Offline
Full Member
Inero  Offline
Full Member
I

Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 37
I am certainly not qualified to make technical comments on the LX17 but my wife, a more advanced player than me, plays a LX7 and says it's the best DP she's owned. The difference between the LX17 and the LX7 is only that the latter has fewer speakers, but the LX7 is plenty loud enough for our living room. The LX7 is a good bit cheaper.

Re: Roland LX17 [Re: Gombessa] #2641908
05/10/17 12:48 AM
05/10/17 12:48 AM
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 217
J
Jasper E. Offline
Full Member
Jasper E.  Offline
Full Member
J

Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 217
Originally Posted by Gombessa
Originally Posted by Jasper E.
I guess you meant CA97 and CS11. CA67 has no soundboard and is like the CS8...

2. Cabinet resonance--that's got to be model-specific, and probably impacted by the acoustics of the space too. That it affects a CA67 has no real bearing on how a CS11 would respond (and I'd bet the CS11's soundboard would indeed behave differently from a cabinet resonance perspective).

That was my point smile


Kawai KDP-90
Re: Roland LX17 [Re: Jerzyk19] #2641961
05/10/17 07:03 AM
05/10/17 07:03 AM
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 66
UK
Jerzyk19 Offline OP
Full Member
Jerzyk19  Offline OP
Full Member

Joined: May 2017
Posts: 66
UK
Thank you all for discussing the topic. Taking all into consideration I’m going to change my HP603 to LX17. I have bought HP603 some time ago when I was not sure if I will be playing piano at all (never done it before). After 8 months of learning I have to say that I’m addicted to piano playing. I have compared LX17 with all the other competitors and for me it’s the best as a substitute of acoustic upright piano.

Last edited by Jerzyk19; 05/10/17 08:16 AM.

My You Tube Channel
Roland LX17
Re: Roland LX17 [Re: Jerzyk19] #2642205
05/10/17 07:54 PM
05/10/17 07:54 PM
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 14,809
Hamamatsu, Japan
Kawai James Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Kawai James  Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 14,809
Hamamatsu, Japan
Jerzyk19, may I ask if you have play-tested the other models mentioned in this thread, and if so, what you thought about them?

Kind regards,
James
x


Employed by Kawai Japan, however the opinions I express are my own.
Nord Electro 3 & occasional rare groove player.

"I agree that the User Manual is very good." - arc7urus, March 2019
Re: Roland LX17 [Re: Jerzyk19] #2642290
05/11/17 04:33 AM
05/11/17 04:33 AM
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 66
UK
Jerzyk19 Offline OP
Full Member
Jerzyk19  Offline OP
Full Member

Joined: May 2017
Posts: 66
UK
I have spent about 4 hours in the music shop with much more experience player. We have played on all top Roland, Yamaha and Kawai models, compering them to the grand piano (Bachstain). In our opinion LX17 is the closest but I was hesitating between it and CS11 Kawai.


My You Tube Channel
Roland LX17
Re: Roland LX17 [Re: Jerzyk19] #2642298
05/11/17 05:01 AM
05/11/17 05:01 AM
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 14,809
Hamamatsu, Japan
Kawai James Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Kawai James  Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 14,809
Hamamatsu, Japan
Thank you Jerzyk.

Kind regards,
James
x


Employed by Kawai Japan, however the opinions I express are my own.
Nord Electro 3 & occasional rare groove player.

"I agree that the User Manual is very good." - arc7urus, March 2019
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Piano World 

Shop Our Online Store!
Shop Our Store Online
Shop PianoSupplies.com

Did you know Piano World has an online store, and that it's loaded with goodies pianists and music lovers want?
Check it out and place your order.

Special Purchase!
Keyboard and Roses Piano Bench Cushion Keyboard & Roses 14"x30" piano bench cushions Regularly sold for $79 to $100, now only $39. (while supplies last)

(ad)
Pianoteq
PianoTeq Bechstein
(ad)
Faust Harrison Pianos
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Together as one
by Markuska. 03/24/19 06:31 AM
KAWAI CA78 General questions for new user
by Bobetski. 03/24/19 05:58 AM
Ornament Accidental Changes for the Bar?
by abrogard. 03/23/19 08:01 PM
DP for someone how does not seem to want a DP
by Markuska. 03/23/19 07:29 PM
Steinway vs. Clavinova?
by Munn14464. 03/23/19 06:48 PM
What's Hot!!
PIANO TEACHERS Please read this!
-------------------
European Tour for Piano Lovers
JOIN US FOR THE TOUR!
--------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
Forum Statistics
Forums41
Topics191,092
Posts2,810,130
Members92,859
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Please Support Our Advertisers
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways

Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver

Sweetwater

 Best of Piano Buyer

PianoTeq Bechstein
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers


 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2019 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.2