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I was, and am, quite interested in the topic of equal temperament and modern vs. historic iterations and discussions of "equal" temperament.... but I seem to have jumped into a mess of petty bickering. What a disappointment. Shall I begin a new thread for those who actually want to discuss?
Bummer.
JH Hi JH, I am still happy to discuss modern ETs and historical temps. You may well start a new thread, why not, or add on to this one, it makes no difference to me. As I see it, it might be like in a kitchen, you have to discard the dirt and keep the good. Regards, a.c. .
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If tuning were a competition to see who can tune the sharpest treble (and flattest bass) this would, of course be nothing new and some would bend over backwards to win.
But.....
I don't see it as a competition.
I am not arguing nor would I attempt a value judgement but merely reporting on the historical side of the material implied by the title of the thread and it's current validity where other instruments are involved, Particularly since I tuned all of the pianos for the masterclasses given by the principal players in the Berlin Phil on their recent visit here and discussed some of the issues with some of them.
Does anyone else here regularly attend masterclasses given on all families of orchestral instruments by their greatest exponents in order to gain a greater understanding? If not, why not? They're entirely free of charge.
Oh, and I regularly tune the soundstage pianos used for major movie soundtracks where only the finest of musicians are employed.
I sincerely hope nobody minds me posting my experience and factual knowledge, current and historical, on this thread.
Amanda Reckonwith
Concert & Recording tuner-tech, London, England.
"in theory, practice and theory are the same thing. In practice, they're not." - Lawrence P. 'Yogi' Berra.
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If tuning were a competition to see who can tune the sharpest treble (and flattest bass) this would, of course be nothing new and some would bend over backwards to win.
But.....
I don't see it as a competition.
I am not arguing but merely reporting on the historical side of the material implied by the title of the thread and it's current validity where other instruments are involved, Particularly since I tuned all of the pianos for the masterclasses given by the principal players in the Berlin Phil on their recent visit here and discussed some of the issues with some of them.
Does anyone else here regularly attend masterclasses given on all families of orchestral instruments by their greatest exponents in order to gain a greater understanding? If not, why not?
Oh, and I regularly tune the studio pianos used for movie soundtracks where only the finest of musicians are employed.
I sincerely hope nobody minds me posting my experience and factual knowledge on this thread. I do not mind you posting on this thread, rXd. I had a nice chance to attend those type of masterclasses twice, each time for two weeks in two different years.
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I describe a genuine historically informed ET that may date back to the 1850's at least, that is to say, to the seeds of the development of the modern piano. I only positively know of its existence over ninety years with personal experience of fifty of them. Living history if you like, those tuners of bygone days were no slouches, I have read some of their articles in old monthly "pianomaker" magazines dating from the 1920's and observed the work of and been taught by their students. Their accuracy was no different than today's very best efforts. They were trained as apprentices by masters who insisted on standards no different than the standards that produced the great pianos of old. A triumph of craftsmanship over technology. Tuning standards were the same.
It would take me too many words, in order to elucidate how standards and techniques develop in time. The video linked below may work much better, hope you enjoy it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaGUW1d0w8gRegards, a.c. .
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Thanks for the encouragement, alfredo, but... well... I feel as though I'm about to "step in it" if I continue with this thread or start another. Those who know me would be stunned that I'm turning away from this topic by choice!
Maybe I'll hang around for a while and glean what I can from what others have already said.
Like I said... bummer.
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Ahhh... I can't help myself after all. I started a new thread after ending up on topics of temperaments and tuning in another thread (temperaments and tuning: why it matters for pianists). It's more general, at this point, than discussing specific ETs, but feel free to come along to discuss. Hope to see some of you there.  JH
Last edited by JustHarmony; 03/08/15 06:06 PM. Reason: left out title of new thread
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Hi All, Thank you, JH, for starting your thread then (link below), and thanks to all partecipants. There I got more indications and explainations, I was finally able to understand more. http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2395490/1.htmlHere I would like to track a work by Haye Hinrichsen (link below), and I would like to thank Isaac Oleg for being there with his integrity. http://arxiv.org/abs/1508.02292Your comments are welcome. Kind regards, a.c. .
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