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Sustain pedal for Kawai VPC 1
#2639188 05/03/17 06:53 AM
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Hi! I bought a VPC1 and the triple pedal which came with it I don't like it very much. It is soft and noisy. I am using my Yamaha fc4 pedal for now, which is soft too but it is silent, but if anyone can suggest some good triple pedal , please do so. thanks. Also I am thinking to buy one of these pedals: Roland kpd 70 or Kawai F 350 and try to build in my furniture. Does anyone know if these two pedals are working with the VPC1? Thank you!

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I have no idea, as Kawai trends to be a little obscurantist about their pedal's configuration, you will have to reverse engineer the original pedal and F350 / KDP70 to figure out how to connect any of them to the VPC. Perhaps a simple multimeter is enough to do the trick.
Anyway in the worst of cases, being as pesimist as possible and supposing there is no way to connect the pedals to VPC, today it is quite easy to make a MIDI pedal using a microcontroller like Arduino, the electronics would cost not more than US$ 5 and some ctrl + c and ctrl v from the internet. If you have the ability to build the furniture, this part should be a piece of cake.


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Thanks Daniel for your pessimistic view smile. The carpenter is doing the furniture , not me, but I am a kind of handyman, so if there will be no other solution or compatibility I'll try to build up a triple pedal. Maybe is better if I write to the Kawai support and ask them, maybe they have some ideas.

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This site might provide some help. In particular, see the mods to the pedal under the title "VPC1 Hall-effect Sustain Pedal"....

http://www.joflaherty.org/

If I recall correctly, additional info related to Jo Flaherty's mods is on this site so run a search also.

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I have Jo's site bookmarked for the hall effect mod, which is great. However:

1. It looks like it needs a separate 5v power source, which is ugh, another cable/transformer/bec. Not sure I want to deal with that.

2. It doesn't say how it impacts the sos pedal. Kawai is one of the few DP makers whose 3-pedal unit has two outputs (damper + sostenuto are combined). On cursory search I haven't seen anything that accurately describes how that works. I think the Nords may use the same Fatar pedal unit so I'm sure there is some info out there, I just haven't found it yet.


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Zoli, do you use FC4 with VPC1 ? If so, is it working ok ?

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I am a beginner in piano playing, and in this stage the FC4 is ok.

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If you don't need sostenuto or the soft pedal, you could use the Kawai 10H pedal that comes with the MP7. I like that one a lot; better than the pedal on the LX-17, to be honest, because it has a much longer throw, and thus makes partial pedaling much easier.

Also, I still find it very hard to get used to the pedal positioning on a furniture piano. I'm used to an organ's expression pedal, with regard to positioning of my right foot, and I have the MP-7's pedal positioned as such.

With the 10H, you can to something like that, and use another (non-partial/half pedal) for sostenuto/soft/effects. With the triple pedal, you'll have to have it in 'piano position', or you won't be able to reach the left and middle pedal.

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Hello Zoli,

I have already responded to your PM, but for the sake of the forum, I wished to clearly state that the VPC1 and MP11 are designed to use the F-30 pedal unit only. Other single pedal units *may* allow simple on/off pedalling, however I doubt they will transmit the full range of values required for correct half-pedalling. This also applies to the Kawai F-10H.

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