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Re: Garritan CFX Lite $59.95 [Re: Gombessa] #2742721
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Originally Posted by Gombessa
CFX is on the quiet side. I turn off the Limit and crank it up as needed. EQ if necessary.


OK, thank you for the tips Gombessa.

I will mess around with it some more, keeping those recommendations in mind.

I also noticed the ASIO drivers have less latency than the MIME drivers? I don't know what those are or what they mean yet, but I had to switch from the default ASIO to MIME to get it working (with some latency), then when I switched back to ASIO, it was working fine with much less latency, very playable.

Maybe some other parameters got refreshed while switching back and forth, I don't know.


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Re: Garritan CFX Lite $59.95 [Re: pianosx] #2742765
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Originally Posted by pianosx


I also noticed the ASIO drivers have less latency than the MIME drivers? I don't know what those are or what they mean yet, but I had to switch from the default ASIO to MIME to get it working (with some latency), then when I switched back to ASIO, it was working fine with much less latency, very playable.

Maybe some other parameters got refreshed while switching back and forth, I don't know.


I'm on a Mac so I don't have to deal with most of the driver issues on the windows side, but I've never heard of anyone NOT using ASIO drivers (unless they have custom drivers for their high end audio interfaces), precisely due to the lower latency. The sound output on piano needs to as real-time as possible, it's probably the single biggest issue to deal with when seeing up a VST system.


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Re: Garritan CFX Lite $59.95 [Re: Fscotte] #2742770
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On Reaper, we have a dedicated WASAPI which bypass the Windows mixer and can achieve quite good latency with plain Windows driver. But ASIO can acheive better latency and is more available.


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Re: Garritan CFX Lite $59.95 [Re: Fscotte] #2742775
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Right now I can't decide if I should upgrade the Lite version to the Full version. To me the Lite version is not better than using the built in Hi-XL voices from Kawai. (Especially the EX Concert.) The new Pianist renderings are much better except for an annoying ringing using headphones. On the other hand, the upgrade to Full is only $79 now at Sweetwater. The free version of PT beckons me to go in that direction for the Steinway D. Which sounds really nice. The Stage edition is only $129 at Sweetwater. I like the Steinway the most. (I like slow jazz and jazzy ballads.)


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Tom, I would say take your time choosing, and go with your heart. It's simply a great time to have the options we do, and you just have to pick the one that sings to you the most. The only real risk is throwing too much money at the ones you won't actually use.


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Re: Garritan CFX Lite $59.95 [Re: Fscotte] #2742781
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Gombessa, I think you are right. I don't really have a problem do I? If the NV only had the Hi-XL engine, I would be happily playing the Ex, the SK5, and the SkEx. Today I am visiting a large dealer in West LA. I am going to play Stardust on as many grands as I can get my hands on. yippie


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Re: Garritan CFX Lite $59.95 [Re: TomLC] #2742786
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Originally Posted by TomLC
Right now I can't decide if I should upgrade the Lite version to the Full version. To me the Lite version is not better than using the built in Hi-XL voices from Kawai. (Especially the EX Concert.) The new Pianist renderings are much better except for an annoying ringing using headphones. On the other hand, the upgrade to Full is only $79 now at Sweetwater. The free version of PT beckons me to go in that direction for the Steinway D. Which sounds really nice. The Stage edition is only $129 at Sweetwater. I like the Steinway the most. (I like slow jazz and jazzy ballads.)


If you like how PianoTeq plays and sounds that might be a good option for you; the demo is a consumer's dream as you know exactly what you are buying. If you use headphones, there is a nifty binaural option I posted about a few days ago. I see on the PianoTeq forums that several people who used to spend a lot of time tweaking the software now just use default so they think the sound has gotten a lot better and are not using the advanced features of the more expensive versions. For me, this means the entry-level versions have a lot more value today. I like PianoTeq but some days it sounds like a toy to me.

I think the Garritan CFX Lite sounds mediocre; it does give some sense of the piano, playabitiliy, noise, computer performance. The close mics don't give much sense of the beautiful room. And they have typical irritating left-right phasing problems of close mics only. This plays and sounds a bit more like PianoTeq than the Full version does. To my ears, the Full is a great value if you like the CFX Lite. The extra mic set gives you the beautiful Abbey Roads room ambience. The extra mic set also neutralizes the left-right phasing and some other close mic quirks so the piano response is smoother. Somedays I get a bit tired of the CFX and use other VIs.If you really don't like CFX Lite, the Full is the same piano in the same room so take that into consideration. Other than the default two-mic pairs, I don't particularly like the other options (popular view here at PianoWorld).

I suppose Production Voices and VSL might release full Steinway sampled pianos in 2018; the PV compact (1 mic set only) has some really nice samples but the velocities and pedallng need to be "finalised". The new VSL CFX is quite popular with producers but has a few playability issues that are being sorted now (hopefully).

Re: Garritan CFX Lite $59.95 [Re: TomLC] #2742797
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Originally Posted by TomLC
The Stage edition is only $129 at Sweetwater. I like the Steinway the most. (I like slow jazz and jazzy ballads.)


Why not get it direct from Pianoteq website, it's 100 Euros which translates to around $119 USD.


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Re: Garritan CFX Lite $59.95 [Re: ArtlessArt] #2742799
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Originally Posted by ArtlessArt
Originally Posted by TomLC
The Stage edition is only $129 at Sweetwater. I like the Steinway the most. (I like slow jazz and jazzy ballads.)


Why not get it direct from Pianoteq website, it's 100 Euros which translates to around $119 USD.


I didn't consider it as Sweetwater has the CFX cheaper that the Garritan site.

Thank you, and you also newer player. I just finished practicing using the SK5 sound on default, except I turn off reverb. It sure sounds good. I think I will forgo the hassle of VST's for now. You guys were very helpful to me, by the way.


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Re: Garritan CFX Lite $59.95 [Re: TomLC] #2742844
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Originally Posted by TomLC
Gombessa, I think you are right. I don't really have a problem do I? If the NV only had the Hi-XL engine, I would be happily playing the Ex, the SK5, and the SkEx. Today I am visiting a large dealer in West LA. I am going to play Stardust on as many grands as I can get my hands on. yippie


You have a NOVUS NV10 TomLC?

Very nice.

Maybe I misunderstood, but doesn't the NV10 have the Kawai HI-XL engine for the SK-EX, EX, and SK-5 (as well as the ES8)?:

http://www.kawaius.com/hybrid/NV10/nv-10_main.html

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Re: Garritan CFX Lite $59.95 [Re: pianosx] #2742867
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Originally Posted by pianosx
Originally Posted by TomLC
Gombessa, I think you are right. I don't really have a problem do I? If the NV only had the Hi-XL engine, I would be happily playing the Ex, the SK5, and the SkEx. Today I am visiting a large dealer in West LA. I am going to play Stardust on as many grands as I can get my hands on. yippie


You have a NOVUS NV10 TomLC?

Very nice.

Maybe I misunderstood, but doesn't the NV10 have the Kawai HI-XL engine for the SK-EX, EX, and SK-5 (as well as the ES8)?

http://www.kawaius.com/hybrid/NV10/nv-10_main.html

Lovely samples.



Yes it does have the Hi-XL engine, in addition to the new Pianist mode (SK-EX Rendering, multi channel sampling). It is very nice. I like the new pianist mode through the speakers more than anything else I have heard. Through the headphones, which I use 90% of the time I can just use the HI-XL. No hassle. And it does feel more connected to the piano than the VST's I have tried. And yes, I do have a NV10. (Us old guys can afford those things.)

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Re: Garritan CFX Lite $59.95 [Re: Fscotte] #2743043
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After playing CFX Lite for a couple of days, I still prefer the native sounds of the CA78 to the CFX Lite, but my opinion may change depending on my ear preference on the day. For headphones the pianist mode is my favorite, during day time I prefer Pianoteq, and at night the native EX-concert grand and pianist mode. I still enjoy the CFX Lite, but something is missing and I haven't quite figured out what it is...

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Re: Garritan CFX Lite $59.95 [Re: Fscotte] #2743927
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Hi.

If you want to hear the Garritan CFX Lite, my latest videos on my piano channel are recorded with it :-)

My last cover : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKxnYzQ4tiI

"Ribbon piano" preset.

I hope you like my videos.

Cheers.


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Re: Garritan CFX Lite $59.95 [Re: Fscotte] #2744043
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Bigbang: Wow... that's a wonderful setup, looks very nice, love the lights. Great playing.

Is that a large monitor screen in the middle hooked up to a pc somewhere?


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Re: Garritan CFX Lite $59.95 [Re: Fscotte] #2744058
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Bigbang, that is a very very nice recording! It sounds a lot better than the ones you did with the internal sounds.
Also, I want to compliment you on the end result! The video looks amazing too and I like the aesthetics of everything (the placement of the piano, speakers, stand, lighting. And last, but not least, I appreciate the description with a few words about the music, links to another recording and sheet music and the detailed account of the setup you used for the recording!
I really enjoyed your recording and every aspect of the post smile

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Thanks !
Just in front of me, it's not a LCD screen, it's my music desk (manhassett, 4 sheets).

@mcool : Yeah ! I'm so happy to read your comment !
I try to do my best.
My garritan setup is rather good now.
I use da vinci resolve for my video and cubase elements.

I try to have a good image quality with a reflex.
The photography taught me to put the things at the right place :-)

(sorry for my english)

I always talk about the artist. Just few words to discrib his life and his work. It's important.

Have a nice day.

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Hi.

Is it possible to setup the Garritan CFX (Lite) to sound like an upright piano ?

Thanks !!!


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Re: Garritan CFX Lite $59.95 [Re: Fscotte] #2746249
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No, that's not possible IMO. Why would you like to purchase samples of one of the best acoustic grand pianos in the world only to turn it into an upright piano? There are sampled upright pianos, for instance Ivory Upright Pianos, there are also some great sounding ones for the Nord.

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Re: Garritan CFX Lite $59.95 [Re: Fscotte] #2746252
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I suppose you could, try dialing the Timbre knob back (counterclockwise) and take the highs down in the EQ settings. Although I second Cybergene's suggestions to rather get a seperate upright library. There are a few of them besides Ivory II Upright Pianos, and less expensive. Here's one you can't beat in price, it's free.

https://www.michaelpichermusic.com/binaural-upright-piano


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That's because he already has it and was wondering if he could change the sound enough through adjustments, I suppose :l
But I second the others, you may get something by EQ ing, but nothing close enough, I reckon. There are some nice uprights out there. The gentleman is one option but I haven't tried many to be certain. You could also get the Pianoteq trial and see if you like the u4 (that would be 100e for the stage version + 50e for the instrument, but you'd also get the Steinway D which is nice and the K2 which I don't really use).

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