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Garritan CFX Lite $59.95 #2638645
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Re: Garritan CFX Lite $59.95 [Re: Fscotte] #2638861
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Looks like a great buy. Garritan CFX Lite is by no means a small library, 22GB according to timespace.com.


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What do people think of this given it only comes with the one mic position?

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I use the Lite version and I am so happy, this is the best piano sound I've ever owned including hardware and software pianos, including multiple versions of Pianoteq. I haven't tried the binaural mic position and it might be very good but I have some enormous pleasure with the Lite version and headphones so Lite is totally worth it. And for this price it's a steal! There's no better piano sound IMHO right now and it's the best feeling one too (Pianoteq excluded, however the flaws in Pianoteq sound spoil the great playability to my ears and IMHO).

IMHO


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Re: Garritan CFX Lite $59.95 [Re: Fscotte] #2638908
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CyberGene, may I ask, do you use the CFX Lite in the songs on your website? They sound a lot like the Garritan is being used in them.

I agree with you on Pianoteq. Most of the pianos sound very similar, if any of them are special, it's the Honky Tonk, Worn Out, Out of Tune, and Ruined presets of the D4, as well as some of the Upright U4 presets.

So while the playability of Pianoteq is sub par to none, the pianos are a bit flat. Most of them are not better than the Casio piano voices.

If a piano VST (sampled or modelled) doesn't bring anything to the table, that my digital piano already doesn't give me, there is no reason to use them.


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Re: Garritan CFX Lite $59.95 [Re: CyberGene] #2638965
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
I use the Lite version and I am so happy, this is the best piano sound I've ever owned including hardware and software pianos, including multiple versions of Pianoteq. I haven't tried the binaural mic position and it might be very good but I have some enormous pleasure with the Lite version and headphones so Lite is totally worth it. And for this price it's a steal! There's no better piano sound IMHO right now and it's the best feeling one too (Pianoteq excluded, however the flaws in Pianoteq sound spoil the great playability to my ears and IMHO).

IMHO

Hi CyberGene, good to hear that you are enjoying the Lite Version. I am thinking about purchasing and was wondering what your thoughts are on running it on a DELL XPS 13 with 8 Gig RAM, i5 Kaby Lake and internal SSD? I am not sure if I would need more RAM..unfortunately I can't upgrade the RAM on my machine.
Thanks in advance..

Re: Garritan CFX Lite $59.95 [Re: Fscotte] #2638974
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TheodorN, the songs on MySpace profile were recorded with either Synthogy Ivory 1 (German Concert) or Steinberg The Grand 1. Both pianos have wonderful sounds but no repedaling/halfpedaling. Ivory 2 has the pedaling but is too expensive and requires iLok which I hate. I haven't composed/arranged/recorded with CFX Lite yet which is mainly because I had let's call it identity crisis or middle age crisis that resulted in me playing only classical music for the last few years smile But I really enjoy CFX Lit for that!

Providence, I'm using a very modest Sony VAIO laptop as well as a MacBook Retina which is even more underpowered and Lite is working with no glitches. I had to upgrade to 8GB though in order to have glitch free performance on the VAIO. Both have SSD drives. And the MacBook is also 8GB. I believe RAM and SSD is the most important thing while CPU might no be that important unless it's a very old CPU. The full CFX might be different in requirements though.

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Re: Garritan CFX Lite $59.95 [Re: Fscotte] #2638976
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I'm thinking about this too. I like the CFX sound. I keep hoping Pianoteq adds it as a piano, at some point.

But let me ask, why the Lite over the full version? Simple answer? space and price?

I really enjoy Pianoteq. Although I think you need to be a sound engineer to really get the sound you want. I am no sound engineer. However, I like it better than the internal Kawai sounds I have. On that note, there is no way I could live with the Casio sound. I think it is humorous how we all like something different. And that is good!


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Re: Garritan CFX Lite $59.95 [Re: Fscotte] #2639018
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I posted this because I almost pulled the trigger. Then I thought, oh no, is the lite version with it's "classic" perspective sound too far away? I really hate the sound of my piano as if its in a church or a hall. I want that dry woody tone.

For the record, I am REALLY enjoying the IOS iGrand version of the U3, the "rich upright" which is a Yamaha U3. Don't laugh, but the most beautiful sound of a woody dry tone I can find. A close second, is the free Salamander Yamaha C7, but it has lots of latency in my setup.

So I'm wondering if this Garritan Lite can sound like the iGrand Rich Upright? Probably not.

I've tried the best, currently have American Concert D, and not too long ago had the Vienna Imperial.

At 2:27 in this video, can the Garritan Lite get this kind of tone?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF8u-BcPvIM

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Re: Garritan CFX Lite $59.95 [Re: Fscotte] #2639028
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The Lite version has the close mic perspective, so I don't see why it should sound distant. Of the three microphone pairs, they only included the close(st) pair, in the classic perspective.

My guess is the CFX Lite will not add anything the American Concert D doesn't have. I own neither of these, so take it with a grain of salt. Apart from the obvious fact, that one is a Yamaha C7, and the other a Steinway D.

The walkthrough video might be helpful, for info about the instrument's tweaking abilities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8rn1_LXJmU


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Re: Garritan CFX Lite $59.95 [Re: TheodorN] #2639032
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Originally Posted by TheodorN
The walkthrough video might be helpful, for info about the instrument's tweaking abilities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8rn1_LXJmU
Thank you.


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Re: Garritan CFX Lite $59.95 [Re: Providence] #2639042
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Originally Posted by Providence

I am thinking about purchasing and was wondering what your thoughts are on running it on a DELL XPS 13 with 8 Gig RAM, i5 Kaby Lake and internal SSD? I am not sure if I would need more RAM..unfortunately I can't upgrade the RAM on my machine.
Thanks in advance..


Hi Providence,

I have the Dell XPS i5 9550 (Skylake 6300HQ) so have a slightly informed view. It took a bit of tweaking and RAM to get full Garritan CFX running with very low latency. Performance is superb. You can see my thread below.

I think you have i5-7200U processor. The U processors are low wattage, low speed configs (but the HQ processors certainly are not "high quality".)

After optimizing your system, I would guess, but can't guarantee, you can run Garritan CFX lite with one mic on your laptop. You may even be able to run full Garritan CFX on your system. You never know until you try.

Regardless, you will need to do some audio tweaking on your system to get the lowest latencies. If I were in your shoes, I would download the free latencymon software to help optimize laptop performance. Use a couple of the links in the XPS thread to help you figure out the easy tweaks. If you get satisfactory latencymon results, that reduces probablity of latency issues:

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2625443/1.html

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Originally Posted by CyberGene

Providence, I'm using a very modest Sony VAIO laptop as well as a MacBook Retina which is even more underpowered and Lite is working with no glitches. I had to upgrade to 8GB though in order to have glitch free performance on the VAIO. Both have SSD drives. And the MacBook is also 8GB. I believe RAM and SSD is the most important thing while CPU might no be that important unless it's a very old CPU. The full CFX might be different in requirements though.

Thank you

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Originally Posted by Providence

I am thinking about purchasing and was wondering what your thoughts are on running it on a DELL XPS 13 with 8 Gig RAM, i5 Kaby Lake and internal SSD? I am not sure if I would need more RAM..unfortunately I can't upgrade the RAM on my machine.
Thanks in advance..


Hi Providence,

I have the Dell XPS i5 9550 (Skylake 6300HQ) so have a slightly informed view. It took a bit of tweaking and RAM to get full Garritan CFX running with very low latency. Performance is superb. You can see my thread below.

I think you have i5-7200U processor. The U processors are low wattage, low speed configs (but the HQ processors certainly are not "high quality".)

After optimizing your system, I would guess, but can't guarantee, you can run Garritan CFX lite with one mic on your laptop. You may even be able to run full Garritan CFX on your system. You never know until you try.

Regardless, you will need to do some audio tweaking on your system to get the lowest latencies. If I were in your shoes, I would download the free latencymon software to help optimize laptop performance. Use a couple of the links in the XPS thread to help you figure out the easy tweaks. If you get satisfactory latencymon results, that reduces probablity of latency issues:

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2625443/1.html

That's very helpful thanks a mil

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Just pulled the trigger. Got it at audiodeluxe for $51. Shows up at this price when added to the cart once you log in to your account. I watched the walkthrough and the garritan recording session, and this has all the features I was looking for. I have an i7 with 8 gb and will run off an SSD, so don't expect any problems.

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Post some sounds made with it!


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I'm sold. Downloading now. eek


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Don't forget to check my thread about how to improve the repedaling window in CFX:
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If anyone posts a sample, would you pretty please post the completely dry tone? I would like to hear the core tone without effects.

Re: Garritan CFX Lite $59.95 [Re: TheodorN] #2639356
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Originally Posted by TheodorN

My guess is the CFX Lite will not add anything the American Concert D doesn't have. I own neither of these, so take it with a grain of salt. Apart from the obvious fact, that one is a Yamaha C7, and the other a Steinway D.


I own both, and Garritan CFX blows American Concert D out of the water for playing IMO ...
Garritan CFX playability is close to Pianoteq (which I own too, Pro version) and to the V-Piano (which I owned for 6 years), but unlike these, with a tone that is absolute pleasure to play.
When I bought American Concert D some time ago, I played it twice and never touched it again.

Unlike the AC D, the Garritan CFX is perfectly prepared and tuned, and doesn't have any notes sticking out or too dull. The switch between the layers is unaudible - although when I play on my acoustic I can experience more variety of tone (infinite layers experience, so to speak).

I played on the real CFX a few times and of course it's even more varied and responsive than my humble C3 - but I feel Garritan has captured the essential beauty of this concert grand.
Just my opinion, but actual experience beats guessing every time I believe...

As the name implies, is not a Yamaha C7, but a Yamaha CFX, the Yamaha flagship concert grand.

More on topic, I tried all three perspectives and I like the Classic perspective (the one on the Lite version) best.
The Player perspective sounds VERY far away with lots of reflections from the room and the Contemporary perspective is not as regular and smooth as the Classic perspective. They add variety though if you use it for rendering your own mixes.

Comparing the Garritan CFX on headphones (Classic perspective, Close mikes 0dB, Ambient mikes -9dB) to my acoustic C3, the Garritan sounds much closer. Not as close as other sampled pianos, like for example the Ravenscroft, but closer than the real thing.

Like practically everything in life the Garritan is not perfect: doesn't have enough resolution (i.e. layers) in the range from f to fff, for example - range where it gets slightly monotonic.

On the whole, coupled with the grand action of the N1, the closest playing experience to the acoustic in my experience.


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