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My work wiil be probably sheduled like this for next several years: 30 or 45 days at home/30 or 45 days far away in the deep forest on an oil rig. What do you think, is it posible to progress in piano playing in mode like this?


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Do you get to take personal belongings? Get an 88 key keyboard, a gig bag to put it in, a folding stand to put it on, a drumset stool to sit on, and a pair of headphones.

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Yup, agree with Sam, bring a keyboard with you, if possible. Otherwise, you forget what you learnt, and if a beginner, regular practice is important, imho. Even smaller keyboard, initially my help to work on simpler material. If I know I can't access akeyboard when I am away, I bring my 40 keys little keyboard to work on fingering.


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It's still possible to make progress. 45 days isn't enough to unlearn all you've done. If you develop mental practise during your time at home you'll be able to keep up practise just following the score when you're away from the piano.

Sports research has shown that mental play activates and strengthens the same neural pathways just as if you were actually moving your fingers at the piano.

Without mental play you can still listen more actively and critically to good performances of good music. Active listening, more than passive listening, will increase your ability to play well and phrase well when you get back to the piano.



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I have never been much of a fan of worrying about "making progress".

I might suggest just enjoying learning to play.

You have years to "enjoy" that.

Get yourself a method book. Go through it page by page as you find time.

If you can, take a piano lesson periodically.

Strive to do things very well before moving to the next page.

You may need to go back and review some material if you are away from it for an extended time.

So what ? Just keep "enjoying" it.

Once you start measuring your progress against some artificial standard, then you will begin to NOT ENJOY it.

I would not do that.

If you just do the best you can with the time you have and enjoy yourself, you will find that some day in the future you will be a much better player than you are today.

Then, you may enjoy it even more.

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Yes. The advice above is good.

I recently returned from an injury related hiatus of about 60 days. I am a self taught beginner with 2 years experience. Upon my return to piano, I was rusty, but, had not really forgotten much. I thought a lot about piano and the music while out of action, but not in any systematic way. Maybe those suggestions above would make your recovery from any inaction even less notable than mine was.

Good luck to you.

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Originally Posted by PianoStartsAt33
My work wiil be probably sheduled like this for next several years: 30 or 45 days at home/30 or 45 days far away in the deep forest on an oil rig. What do you think, is it posible to progress in piano playing in mode like this?


Absolutely, if you measure progress in terms of self-satisfaction and enjoyment! Even a few minutes a day can be a few minutes of total fun! Good luck!!

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Yes, you can 'progress' by listening to master classes/tutorials, learning theory, listening to great performances and composers, expanding your comfort level of the music that you listen to.

But my personal problem would be that I would not have a piano to enjoy for 50 percent of the time. Not in terms of progressing or not, but just to be able to play
I think you should rephrase the question to yourself, "how would I feel if I couldn't play the piano for 30 days in a row ?" And then you'll have your answer about what to do.

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Yes I think you can make progress! The first big break away will affect you a lot. The next break a little less, then less and less as time passes. Is there any way to bring a keyboard or request the company provide one in their staff area? There must be some sort of communal space for this type of thing?

A somewhat crappy keyboard will fit in a large duffel bag if that's an option.

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Originally Posted by sara elizabeth
Is there any way to bring a keyboard or request the company provide one in their staff area? There must be some sort of communal space for this type of thing?

A somewhat crappy keyboard will fit in a large duffel bag if that's an option.


Unfortunately, it will hardly be possible, as far as I understand.

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But my personal problem would be that I would not have a piano to enjoy for 50 percent of the time. Not in terms of progressing or not, but just to be able to play
I think you should rephrase the question to yourself, "how would I feel if I couldn't play the piano for 30 days in a row ?" And then you'll have your answer about what to do.


I think you are absolutely right! Started at 33, I've already lost so much time, so many years of piano playing... To lose more? I can not afford it. Looks like I'll have to refuse this job offer.


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Originally Posted by PianoStartsAt33
I think you are absolutely right! Started at 33, I've already lost so much time, so many years of piano playing... To lose more? I can not afford it. Looks like I'll have to refuse this job offer.


LOL ....


That sounds like someone looking for a reason to not accept a job offer.

Seems strange though ... usually it would be a child saying that.

Good Luck to you


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Originally Posted by dmd
Originally Posted by PianoStartsAt33
I think you are absolutely right! Started at 33, I've already lost so much time, so many years of piano playing... To lose more? I can not afford it. Looks like I'll have to refuse this job offer.


LOL ....


That sounds like someone looking for a reason to not accept a job offer.

Seems strange though ... usually it would be a child saying that.

Good Luck to you



Really Don, was this derogatory comment really necessary? Whether you would be willing to leave a piano for 50% of your life, 3 to 4 months at a time, is a very personal decision. The inference from your post is that you would be willing not to play for 3 to 4 consecutive months. That would not be everyone's decision and there should not be a judgment on whatever decision he decided to make.

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Originally Posted by PianoStartsAt33
[quote=sara elizabeth] Is there any way to bring a keyboard or request the company provide one in their staff area? There must be some sort of communal space for this type of thing?

A somewhat crappy keyboard will fit in a large duffel bag if that's an option.


Originally Posted by PianoStartsAt33
Unfortunately, it will hardly be possible, as far as I understand.


There are stories about people who practice on paper or cardboard "keyboards." You could document your progress, write a book and then become rich and famous in addition to a great piano player!


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Originally Posted by PianoStartsAt33
Started at 33, I've already lost so much time, so many years of piano playing...


There is no doubt that you missed some years (33) that could have been spent on piano. However, that fact has no bearing, whatsoever, on your ability to make the most of the years you have left. If you live to be 80, you have 47 years to enjoy the piano. The only thing that effects those 47 years will be the decisons you make during those 47 years about those 47 years. Saddle up and have your pleasure.

I started at 62 years, so I've missed about twice as many years as you have. Yet, I'm having a great time, full of richness and reward. Nothing in those previous 62 years can rob me of what is to come.

Whatever you decide, keep focused on doing and getting what you need. You deserve it, after all. And, no one else will provide it for you.

Good luck with whatever decision you make. smile


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What got me started was a tablet app with a screen keyboard. While a far cry from a physical keyboard, much less a piano, there is sure to be room for an Ipad. Music apps tend to be more robust for Ipad than on Android tablets. For those with limited funds, a used or older Ipad will do okay.

If there a bit more room, a small (25, 37 or 49 key) MIDI style board can hook up to the Ipad. Again, not a piano by any stretch, but it may be enough to keep a person interested.

I have a 37 key IRIG pro keyboard (about $200 USD) that hooks up to my Ipad. The entire kit, including the Ipad, keyboard and bluetooth speaker fits in a large tote bag. Weighs under 7 lbs (about 3 kg). There is a noticeable delay using the bluetooth speaker.

Another question is whether there will be decent Internet access. If yes, there is a whole world out there, from online courses, to Skype lessons with teachers.

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Originally Posted by dmd
Originally Posted by PianoStartsAt33
I think you are absolutely right! Started at 33, I've already lost so much time, so many years of piano playing... To lose more? I can not afford it. Looks like I'll have to refuse this job offer.


LOL ....


That sounds like someone looking for a reason to not accept a job offer.

Seems strange though ... usually it would be a child saying that.

Good Luck to you



Well, some people really don't anderstand how can a person sacrifice good or highly paid job to a hobby))
May be it's my fault that I didn't clarify the situation completely. The question of progress is so important for me because I'm gonna try to enter music colledge next year. It's a secondary music education level (the chain is "Music school - Music colledge - Conservatory"). Entering colledge usually requires 7 years of music scholl behind, but teachers in colledge tell me it is not 100% necessary - only the entry exams really matter. I'll have to play one Bach 2-voice invention, Allegro maestoso of Mozart's 8th A-minor sonata K 310, one Czerny's etude from op. 299, one scale on my choice in various ways, and one more piece on my choice. There will also be solfeggio and music theory questions.
So, the question of progress is crucial for me for the next year and a month I have for training before exams.

And one more thing I gradually begin to understand - it's extremely important to practice on aqustic instrument for me now.



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Originally Posted by PianoStartsAt33
I think you are absolutely right! Started at 33, I've already lost so much time, so many years of piano playing... To lose more? I can not afford it. Looks like I'll have to refuse this job offer.


LOL ....


That sounds like someone looking for a reason to not accept a job offer.

Seems strange though ... usually it would be a child saying that.

Good Luck to you



Well, some people really don't anderstand how can a person sacrifice good or highly paid job to a hobby))
May be it's my fault that I didn't clarify the situation completely. The question of progress is so important for me because I'm gonna try to enter music colledge next year. It's a secondary music education level (the chain is "Music school - Music colledge - Conservatory"). Entering colledge usually requires 7 years of music scholl behind, but teachers in colledge tell me it is not 100% necessary - only the entry exams really matter. I'll have to play one Bach 2-voice invention, Allegro maestoso of Mozart's 8th A-minor sonata K 310, one Czerny's etude from op. 299, one scale on my choice in various ways, and one more piece on my choice. There will also be solfeggio and music theory questions.
So, the question of progress is crucial for me for the next year and a month I have for training before exams.

And one more thing I gradually begin to understand - it's extremely important to practice on aqustic instrument for me now.




Ok, now there is one more bit of information you are leaving out. How long have you been playing piano and what level have you achieved ?

I am almost afraid to ask because I think you are going to say beginner. Please tell me you are not a beginner.



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Originally Posted by dmd


Ok, now there is one more bit of information you are leaving out. How long have you been playing piano and what level have you achieved ?

I am almost afraid to ask because I think you are going to say beginner. Please tell me you are not a beginner.



It's a 1,5 year now - so, yes, I'm a beginner)) Frankly spaking, I don't now where is the line to cross and stop being beginner))
Fortunately, at the starting point I was familiar with notation and some other musical stuff due to several years of singing and visiting vocal coaches.
I'm not shure what is the best way to estimate my level... What scale to use? Let's suppose in scale from 0 to 10, where 0 is a person who never toched piano and 10 is Vladimir Horovitz, I'm somewhere around 3)))
I played this piece when I visited colledge and talked to teachers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIlpKWWVT-c (although I did it very bad - I touched acoustic grand for the first time ever, after 1,5 years of digitals) - they said I have chances to enter if I'll work hard next year.
I think the thing that makes my colledge entering possible is that, as far as for classical music, in the last years there are not so many people desiring to get there, so, the competition level is minimal. You know, musicans, music teachers are low-paid professions in our country (unless you are extremely talanted), so, most children chose another career. I guess, the only department where competition level is always high is pop-singing - so many people want to become pop-stars, ha-ha))


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Originally Posted by PianoStartsAt33
... they said I have chances to enter if I'll work hard next year....


Ok, so ... if THEY said that ... then let's assume that is true.

I am sure they did not mean that if you sat by yourself at home with no instruction, that you could do it.

You will need to have a teacher. Do you have one ?


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Ok ... so now you are pretty sure that this move is not going to result in riches for you. You just want to do it.
It will take years and in the end you are likely to get little financially out of it. It does not sound like a good idea to me.

I would suggest, turning your love of piano into a "serious" hobby. I have known musicians who lament turning their love of music into a profession because that turned it into "work".
As a hobby, you may always enjoy your time with it.

If I were you I would try to do some serious thinking about this. I think you are dreaming.

But, it does not matter what I think. It does not matter what anyone thinks except you.

However, I would talk with as many people about this as possible ... especially musicians and/or your teacher.

You need some realistic views on this which can only be provided by those in the music industry.

In the end, we all do what we have to do .... but a little insight from "your elders" never hurts.

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Originally Posted by PianoStartsAt33
... they said I have chances to enter if I'll work hard next year....


Ok, so ... if THEY said that ... then let's assume that is true.

I am sure they did not mean that if you sat by yourself at home with no instruction, that you could do it.

You will need to have a teacher. Do you have one ?


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I think the thing that makes my colledge entering possible is that, as far as for classical music, in the last years there are not so many people desiring to get there, so, the competition level is minimal. You know, musicans, music teachers are low-paid professions in our country


Ok ... so now you are pretty sure that this move is not going to result in riches for you. You just want to do it.
It will take years and in the end you are likely to get little financially out of it. It does not sound like a good idea to me.

I would suggest, turning your love of piano into a "serious" hobby. I have known musicians who lament turning their love of music into a profession because that turned it into "work".
As a hobby, you may always enjoy your time with it.

If I were you I would try to do some serious thinking about this. I think you are dreaming.

But, it does not matter what I think. It does not matter what anyone thinks except you.

However, I would talk with as many people about this as possible ... especially musicians and/or your teacher.

You need some realistic views on this which can only be provided by those in the music industry.

In the end, we all do what we have to do .... but a little insight from "your elders" never hurts.

Good Luck To You




I think you advice is very good. Thank you!

Yea, I've found a teacher for private lessons. And I will visit the colledge twice a week for such a thing that is called "teaching practice" - it's when a colledge student teaches someone under supervision of his tutor (and this "someone" wiil be me), and it's for free. So, I'll have some time to look from the inside: how all this works? what is it - to be a musical student? if I like this or not? and so on. Hope I'll gather enough information and impressions to make correct descision.


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