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How respected is Ludovico Einaudi in the piano community?
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How respected is Ludovico Einaudi in the piano community? I have heard that he is not well liked

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It depends on what part of the piano community you mean.


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Very popular in the Adult Beginners Forum. We have quarterly recitals, for more than 10 years now. The top 10 composers, by number of pieces performed:

221 : Chopin
196 : Bach
148 : Schumann
112 : Einaudi
92 : Beethoven
56 : Mozart
56 : Tchaikovsky
54 : Joplin
53 : Debussy
35 : Mendelssohn

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Ludovico Einaudi = lol

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Really doesn't matter what other pianists think. In the Official Classical Artist Albums Chart Top 50, Einaudi holds 6 of the top 30 positions, the highest one at #2, at the moment. There is no other artist with more than one album on the chart and he has six. Until recently, I didn't even know I was listening to classical music when I heard the occasional Einaudi until the news that iTunes tracking sales has declared Einaudi the #1 classical artist on iTunes. He has sold over 1.8 million records, and is the world most streamed classical musician. His music is pleasant, but classical music, seriously? But who am I to argue with the music industry?

I asked my classical piano teacher what she thought of Ludovico Einaudi, and she said, "never heard of him." I think that sums it up.

Just in case you haven't loss all respect and hope for classical music at this point, here's something that will do it for you. Deustche Grammophon released 'Sphere' with Hope/Ammon playing Einaudi. shocked



I consider Einaudi a composer rather than pianist, though I could only dream of playing as well as he. He is no Zimerman or Kissin, but they are not composers. I think my teacher said Schumann was not a great pianist, but there's no doubt as to his standing as a composer.

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Really doesn't matter what other pianists think. In the Official Classical Artist Albums Chart Top 50, Einaudi holds 6 of the top 30 positions, the highest one at #2, at the moment. This is no other artist who has two albums on the chart and he has six. Until recently, I didn't even know I was listening to classical music when I heard the occasional Einaudi until I heard on the news that iTunes tracking sales has declared Einaudi the #1 classical artist on iTunes. His music is nice and pleasant but classical music, seriously; but who am I to argue with the music industry?

I asked my classical piano teacher what she thought of Ludovico Einaudi, and she said, "never heard of him." I think that sums it up.


I'd never heard of him until I came to ABF either. Einaudi doesn't seem as popular this side of the pond, and last time I was in a record shop, he was filed in the 'Easy Listening' section (alongside the likes of Mantovani and Clayderman), not 'Classical'.



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Originally Posted by bennevis
I'd never heard of him until I came to ABF either. Einaudi doesn't seem as popular this side of the pond, and last time I was in a record shop, he was filed in the 'Easy Listening' section (alongside the likes of Mantovani and Clayderman), not 'Classical'.


I know, right? But the UK Telegraph not only called him a classical composer, they said he landed on the UK Pop Chart moving past Taylor Swift. He may well be more popular in the UK than the US. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/news/einaudi-makes-chart-history/


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Originally Posted by Sam S
Very popular in the Adult Beginners Forum. We have quarterly recitals, for more than 10 years now. The top 10 composers, by number of pieces performed:
112 : Einaudi

Tons of stuff of his on YouTube, some if it sorta fun. (The decent performances, that is.)

I'm a member of a classical music group on Facebook which takes itself most seriously... and the mere mention of Einaudi sends people into a tizzy, panties in a wad, shrieks of heresy. Just like when Cameron Carpenter is mentioned in a pipe organ group.



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I consider him "light classical". He's very good for what he does, but it's not really as deep as I prefer. An composer who can be so popular doing "classical" music must be doing something right.

I've only taught one of his pieces once ever, and that student never really learned to play it.


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I consider him "light classical". He's very good for what he does, but it's not really as deep as I prefer. An composer who can be so popular doing "classical" music must be doing something right.

I've only taught one of his pieces once ever, and that student never really learned to play it.

He is to classical music as Kenny G is to jazz. Equally stupid. Actually, I'd like to see someone make a case for whose music is dumber.

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Originally Posted by JoelW

[Einaudi] is to classical music as Kenny G is to jazz.

Kenny G has never been marketed as Jazz. He has been marketed several ways over the years (crossover, easy listening), but the genre which has financially worked most successfully is Adult Contemporary.

Considering the many others in that genre -George Winston and Jim Brickman certainly come to mind- I think it fits him very well, and prospective buyers know what to expect, as well as the label identifying its target audience.



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Kenny G is commonly referred to as "smooth jazz".

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Originally Posted by JoelW
Kenny G is commonly referred to as "smooth jazz".

Indeed. But that seems to be a term created for marketing purposes. One can sometimes see pretty innovative jazz fusion labeled under this. It's not all elevator music...

Btw. I don't think there's anything stupid about skillfully playing an instrument. There are tons of classical pianists who really have nothing more to give than one more average interpretation of the same old pieces. Yet people go to listen and enjoy it. It may be boring but I would not call it stupid.

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As I said, Kenny G is associated (falsely) with jazz, as is Einaudi with classical.

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Originally Posted by JoelW
As I said, Kenny G is associated (falsely) with jazz, as is Einaudi with classical.

Both are just vague labels that no one is able to define consistently. As is rock or pop. Classical is only a consistent term when referring to a certain type of classical era music. And even then we soon get into trouble with the definition if we look into it deeply enough...

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I'd never heard of him until I came to ABF either. Einaudi doesn't seem as popular this side of the pond, and last time I was in a record shop, he was filed in the 'Easy Listening' section (alongside the likes of Mantovani and Clayderman), not 'Classical'.


I know, right? But the UK Telegraph not only called him a classical composer, they said he landed on the UK Pop Chart moving past Taylor Swift. He may well be more popular in the UK than the US. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/news/einaudi-makes-chart-history/



I be interested in knowing why the Telegraph is calling him a classical composer. I am fairly certain that the majority of professional classical musicians and musicologists would not, at least not without some qualifying words.

It's true that he has some classical background, but that is also true of many musicians who are not actually working in the genre for their career. I haven't listened to a great deal of his music, but what I have heard seems to fit more in the ambient or New Age genres than classical. But, of course, there are no real definitions to point to, so I guess if enough informed people decide to see his music as classical (and he does, as well), then it is classical. But I am not convinced that has happened, not yet.

Going off on a tangent for a bit - I've noticed that in these weirdly unhinged times we live in, there are many people uploading their music at various sites and giving it a genre tag of "classical" seemingly just because they like the idea of calling it that, regardless of what the music actually is. Much of it is just pretty simple noodling around, to my ear. It's baffling to me that people would want to call it "classical", particularly since listeners who know about the genre are going to be disappointed if they listen.


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Originally Posted by bennevis
I'd never heard of him until I came to ABF either. Einaudi doesn't seem as popular this side of the pond, and last time I was in a record shop, he was filed in the 'Easy Listening' section (alongside the likes of Mantovani and Clayderman), not 'Classical'.


Exactly this.
Could anybody recommend me what pieces of him I should listen to in order to learn best about him? This is a serious question, hoping to receive some link to a really representative youtube (or alike) recording of his works.

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Never really understood what it is with Einaudi. I think it's good that he gets a lot of people playing the piano, but I don't care much for his music.
I think he's so popular because it is not music you need to know before you like it, it's more approachable by many. It is the absence of complexity that attract people.

It is not classical music.

Oh and I like Yann Tiersen more. smile


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Originally Posted by wr

Going off on a tangent for a bit - I've noticed that in these weirdly unhinged times we live in, there are many people uploading their music at various sites and giving it a genre tag of "classical" seemingly just because they like the idea of calling it that, regardless of what the music actually is. Much of it is just pretty simple noodling around, to my ear. It's baffling to me that people would want to call it "classical", particularly since listeners who know about the genre are going to be disappointed if they listen.

I think for those who aren't really into classical, it sounds impressive to them to be "classically trained" for example. I hear that a lot about certain singers who clearly are not using their training if in fact, they were trained "classically".

I think the same applies to this labeling. It's a marketing strategy to add legitimacy to someone, because it's a common conception that classical music is hard to play/compose. So by calling someone a classical composer, it elevates them to a more serious composer.

In one respect, this isn't wrong. I would consider Einaudi a serious composer. He writes his music down and puts obvious thought into it. He actually comes up with good ideas. However, he does not do any thematic development and is very repetitive, IMO, and so it's simpler than a lot of serious classical music.

Plus, I think if we are having a hard time figuring out what genre he belongs to, then it's anybody's guess.


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