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Re: Difference between Graded keys and 88 Linear Graded Hammer [Re: RickardNi] #2601379
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I certainly have never noticed the grading steps on any of my DPs, or noticed anything weird when transitioning to a "real" linear graded action in an upright or grand. But I'm also a rank amateur player and don't think my standards/experience reflect active else's smile


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Re: Difference between Graded keys and 88 Linear Graded Hammer [Re: RickardNi] #2601387
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Originally Posted by RickardNi
I look through all the downloadable documents for CLP-150.


The CLP-150 service manual is downloadable wink But here : http://elektrotanya.com/yamaha_clp-150.pdf/download.html

You will find 8 part references about hammer : 4 for the white keys and 4 for the black keys.


If you are interested about your DGX-650, you should try http://elektrotanya.com/yamaha_dgx-650b_dgx-650wh.pdf/download.html

The GHS is also divided in 4 zones.


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Re: Difference between Graded keys and 88 Linear Graded Hammer [Re: RickardNi] #2601392
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15 g difference in weight sounds something like 0.015 kg * 9.81 N / kg = 0.14175 N difference in force, assuming you would like to use the piano on Earth smile


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Re: Difference between Graded keys and 88 Linear Graded Hammer [Re: Frédéric L] #2601393
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Originally Posted by Frédéric L
Originally Posted by RickardNi
I look through all the downloadable documents for CLP-150.


The CLP-150 service manual is downloadable wink But here : http://elektrotanya.com/yamaha_clp-150.pdf/download.html

You will find 8 part references about hammer : 4 for the white keys and 4 for the black keys.


If you are interested about your DGX-650, you should try http://elektrotanya.com/yamaha_dgx-650b_dgx-650wh.pdf/download.html

The GHS is also divided in 4 zones.

Thanks, that was extremely helpful! I only watched the downloadable documents from Yamaha's official homepage, didn't know the service manual differed so much.


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Re: Difference between Graded keys and 88 Linear Graded Hammer [Re: RickardNi] #2631374
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So each 2014-2017 CLP-500 has slightly different key action.
CLP-525 GH3: 3 sensirs, plastic, group weighted.
CLP-535 GH3X: 3 sensors, plastic, group weighted, escapement.
CLP-545 NWX: 3 sensors, wood, group weighted, escapement.
CLP-575 NWX-LGH: 3 sensors, wood, individually weighted, escapement.
CLP-585 NWX-LGH-CW: 3 sensors, wood, individually weighted, counter weighted, escapement.

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Re: Difference between Graded keys and 88 Linear Graded Hammer [Re: Shoveller] #2631380
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Originally Posted by Shoveller
So each 2014-2017 CLP-500 has slightly different key action.
CLP-525 GH3: 3 sensirs, plastic, group weighted.
CLP-535 GH3X: 3 sensors, plastic, group weighted, escapement.
CLP-545 NWX: 3 sensors, wood, group weighted, escapement.
CLP-575 NWX-LGH: 3 sensors, wood, individually weighted, escapement.
CLP-585 NWX-LGH-CW: 3 sensors, wood, individually weighted, counter weighted, escapement.


And here we all thought Yamaha never makes any changes to their actions wink

For the 2017 CLP-600 series, I guess you can also add the GrandTouch action variations to this list...



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Re: Difference between Graded keys and 88 Linear Graded Hammer [Re: Gombessa] #2631385
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Originally Posted by Gombessa
I guess you can also add the GrandTouch action variations to this list...
Ah, well even as you were writing that, I was doing exactly that on the CLP-600 thread. I should get out more.

Last edited by Shoveller; 04/08/17 06:38 PM.

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