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Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James] #2630606 04/06/17 06:36 AM
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random movie quote State and Main (2000) : Doc Wilson: It's the truth that you should never trust anybody who wears a bow tie. Cravat's supposed to point down to accentuate the genitals. Why'd you wanna trust somebody whose tie points out to accentuate his ears?

j/k ;P nice presentation and looks like a real nice product for Kawai James =]


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Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James] #2630607 04/06/17 06:38 AM
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Keep in mind that the instrument will be further refined prior to official release. So this great instrument can only get better.

I'd hope that the line-in signal goes through the same level of processing as the on-board sound, so that virtual pianos can have the potential of sounding -in terms of fidelity- as good as the on-board sound when using the on-board speakers.

Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James] #2630609 04/06/17 06:42 AM
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Anyone know what that Onkyo "spectra module" headphone amplification actually does?

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Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James] #2630613 04/06/17 07:00 AM
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Were those stand mounted speakers on during play or was it just the piano's speakers at work by the way?


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Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Pete14] #2630614 04/06/17 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete14
Keep in mind that the instrument will be further refined prior to official release. So this great instrument can only get better.


It's also been recorded from the audience on what is presumably a mobile?

I'd be hesitant to judge the sound too much (good or bad) on that.

Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James] #2630616 04/06/17 07:09 AM
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Even on the mobile it sounds like a wall of sound though ^^ I think seeing as how those extra stand mounted speakers were there it is safe to assume they were being used also


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Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Goss] #2630617 04/06/17 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Goss
Were those stand mounted speakers on during play or was it just the piano's speakers at work by the way?

The stand mounted speakers were only used for the backing music.


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Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Upright] #2630623 04/06/17 07:44 AM
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wow okay - then considering the mobile phone or camcorder recording - this piano is a beast most likely irl ^^ seeing as how James' voice vs the piano's sound. Didn't see you flinch at the volume James but I am guessing I would have XD

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Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Bambers] #2630624 04/06/17 07:45 AM
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At 1:10 in the video, the presenter states that the sample action is from a Kawai acoustic piano. He then states that much of that technology will be featured in the Novus NV-10.

Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James] #2630627 04/06/17 07:56 AM
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I thought that it will be ready product, but I see it will still take few months to develop??? The action inside Messe product could be anything, even GF2. They could do this just to see the market's interest.
I see there is some grey area here smile
Maybe James can clarify and tell us something more, as it was already officially announced?

I was just hoping that we will se the price, and seems we will have to wait few months still. An even though it's too big to fit my flat therefore I can't buy it, but knowing the price would be good smile

I do not expect however that thing to be cheaper than twice CA97

Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Tom Fort] #2630631 04/06/17 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom Fort
At 1:10 in the video, the presenter states that the sample action is from a Kawai acoustic piano. He then states that much of that technology will be featured in the Novus NV-10.


At 8:22 you see the Millennium III hybrid action. The damper heads, damper wires and damper-lever-wire flanges have been replaced by simple weights, see also 11:23 and the felt hammers have been replaced by weighted ABS-Carbon hammers. Apart from that, it looks and works like a usual Millennium III action.

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Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James] #2630643 04/06/17 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello Martin, thank you for shooting the video. I did not realise that you had planned to upload to YouTube!

The very first presentation of the first day! I have not watched the clip yet, but I recall stumbling rather badly through the main explanation, and our pianist Entani-san dashing-out of the room in order to collect her sheet music!

I believe subsequent presentations gradually improved, so it would be a little disappointing if your video of the very first performance becomes the only record of our efforts... We can do much better!

Regardless, thank you for joining the presentation!

It was a very nice presentation and I throughly enjoyed it. Every live performance is unique, that's what makes us human. Even if you felt not being on top of your game, I didn't notice you stumbling at all, that surely marks your professionalism. Was impressed by the flawless performance of your pianist just as by her mastery of our languages.

The sound quality was really great, considering the improvised recording circumstances. That shows how far we have come in technology. So there is nothing to worry about. You, your pianist and the NV10 did very well. thumb


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Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James] #2630644 04/06/17 09:20 AM
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Martin -

I was referring to the earlier video from Bonner's Music, posted by f3r 5 posts above yours. I didn't feel I needed to quote it.

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New video from Bonners
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9xyFSPdWss



Talking about the action, again... skip to 5:43 to hear some playing.

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Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James] #2630652 04/06/17 10:02 AM
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You did a great job James, super-professional. And the playing was superb, it really showed off the abilities of the pianist and the NV10.

From the descriptions and language used, it kind of sounds like the NV10 will only ship with a single SK-EX tone? As in, going really purist?

I'm now wondering if the HI-XL envisioned for the NV-10 is going to be different than what is currently shipping in Kawai's DP range. It could be the same technology (extra long attack samples, etc.) but I wouldn't be surprised if Kawai was using higher resolution or deeper bitdepth versions from the recording session for the NV-10's HI-XL (I think it's fair to assume that the session resulting in the SK-EX HI-XL sample comprises multiple recordings using multiple mics at extended lengths).


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Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Tom Fort] #2630660 04/06/17 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom Fort
At 1:10 in the video, the presenter states that the sample action is from a Kawai acoustic piano. He then states that much of that technology will be featured in the Novus NV-10.


hmm yea, missed that first time. A little odd given it's not a full sample action.

See the one in the second vid f3r just posted, that's a full sample acoustic grand action. Saying that, it actually looks near enough identical to the one from the first vid only someones replaced the real hammer with a carbon weight from the novus and removed the damper & riser, perhaps that's the case.

Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James] #2630664 04/06/17 10:33 AM
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James,

At 6:47 in the Musikmesse video, the video you're playing shows the Shigeru SK-EX piano, and underneath that is states "Sampling and Modeling". Does that mean that the sounds are combination of sampling and modeling for the Novus?

Very cool about the pedal mechanism!


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Yep - the curb side appeal of the sk-ex sound with the nerd side appeal of modelling


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Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Goss] #2630688 04/06/17 11:39 AM
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Isn't the combination of sampling and modelling (the latter especially for sympathetic resonances) already being used in the current CA and CS series, probably also in other models and/or previous models of these series? Although it probably has been improved in the NV10, the technology as such is not new.

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Originally Posted by JoBert
Isn't the combination of sampling and modelling (the latter especially for sympathetic resonances) already being used in the current CA and CS series, probably also in other models and/or previous models of these series? Although it probably has been improved in the NV10, the technology as such is not new.


That's what I was trying to figure out: just what part os modeled, is it just the sympathetic resonances?


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