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Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James] #2630365 04/05/17 09:14 AM
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I'm impatiently waiting for the videos... The e-stores should stop putting up product pages with inaccurate or incomplete specs.


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Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James] #2630381 04/05/17 10:03 AM
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New engine and new resonance modelling. Interesting. This really needs to go through the DPBSD tests....

Or not? The main site seems to suggest harmonic imaging XL, did someone just miss the L of the end in places??

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Originally Posted by Bambers
New engine and new resonance modelling. Interesting. This really needs to go through the DPBSD tests....

Or not? The main site seems to suggest harmonic imaging XL, did someone just miss the L of the end in places??


Gear4Music forgot the L in the Harmonic Imaging XL.


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Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James] #2630481 04/05/17 04:33 PM
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The sampling tech is much more important than the "1-bit processing" IMHO.

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Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James] #2630490 04/05/17 05:08 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wpFEhmozlI



Just talking about the action, but it is the first video about the Novus


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Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James] #2630516 04/05/17 06:56 PM
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This action speaks for itself - I know I'm going to love it without even playing it.
The question is, will this be the first effort we see from the Onkyo relationship that makes a significant jump in how a digital piano sounds in the room? Not through headphones, not recorded direct, but acoustically in the room - and not just from the player's perspective.

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Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
This action speaks for itself - I know I'm going to love it without even playing it.


Famous last words, but I agree. A real grand action is going to be phenomenal, and we know how much Kawai emphasizes development of its DP actions, so I'm not even worried about this.

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The question is, will this be the first effort we see from the Onkyo relationship that makes a significant jump in how a digital piano sounds in the room? Not through headphones, not recorded direct, but acoustically in the room - and not just from the player's perspective.


While I hope so, frankly I'm not expecting any miracles here. I don't think Onkyo is privy to any super secret technology or know-how that they're just waiting to bust out with this collaboration. I'm sure it'll sound great, but I'm not going to hold out hope for earth-shattering just yet!

The real question for me is the price. Am I going to be able to entertain thoughts about one day splurging for this? Or is the CFO going to give me that "we're not even discussing this" look? smile


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Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: f3r] #2630537 04/05/17 08:44 PM
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The Bonners video is more of a teaser for the Novus than actual information about the Novus. The piano in the video is an SK-3 and the modeled action is also a Shigeru Kawai acoustic grand action.

Agree that the Milennium III in the Novus should be exceptional. I still am waiting for any information about the optical sensing system.

I'm also curious that the naming of the Novus (Novus NV10) might imply more models in the Novus family in the future?

Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James] #2630555 04/05/17 11:05 PM
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@sullivang: It is nice to know what means 1-bit processing since it is perhaps a quite used technology (piano, sound card, CD-players), but you are right, you will choose the piano for other reasons. (Perhaps all current digital pianos have a DAW with 1-bit DAC... but we don't know about.).


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Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James] #2630583 04/06/17 03:54 AM
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Thank you James for allowing me to record the presentation of the NOVUS NV10 yesterday. For all those, who are interested in the NV10 but do not have the chance to visit Musikmesse 2017, here is a video of James presentation. I hope, that this is ok for Kawai, but I expect, that they like it, when news about this great, wonderful instrument is spread.



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Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James] #2630586 04/06/17 04:53 AM
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Thanks for the video, Martin!


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Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James] #2630592 04/06/17 05:22 AM
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Very promising! Nice mechanics, but also very long, slow decays of notes! Binaural samples and it is perfect.

It would be interesting to understand the difference the new sound system makes to the traditional Kawai digital sound. Is it very different? When looking this year I was very impressed by Kawai mechanics and feel, less so by the sound production. We will have to wait a short time...

I did manage to play a Shigeru instrument, which I found quite amazing. If they get closer to this then it is an absolute winner.


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Hello Martin, thank you for shooting the video. I did not realise that you had planned to upload to YouTube!

The very first presentation of the first day! I have not watched the clip yet, but I recall stumbling rather badly through the main explanation, and our pianist Entani-san dashing-out of the room in order to collect her sheet music!

I believe subsequent presentations gradually improved, so it would be a little disappointing if your video of the very first performance becomes the only record of our efforts... We can do much better!

Regardless, thank you for joining the presentation!

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Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James] #2630594 04/06/17 05:39 AM
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Hello James, I am aware, that I actually asked about the recording and not for the uploading to youtube. It wasn't really planned. But as the video turned out not too bad, being only a smartphone video, and even the sound is quite decent, I wanted to share it.

Don't worry about some stumbling. The presentation was very natural. It is clear that you and Entani-san very much like what you are doing. So it was a joy to be in the presentation. It surely is a privilege to work for Kawai.

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Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Tom Fort] #2630596 04/06/17 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom Fort
The piano in the video is an SK-3 and the modeled action is also a Shigeru Kawai acoustic grand action.


While the piano is indeed an sk3, he does state the demo action is from the novus and it looks like the novus action from what we've seen so far. Note the carbon composite faux hammer and the lack of actual damper.

Demo grand piano actions typically have a real felt hammer and have the damper rod and felt damper engaging and disengaging with the metal rod.

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Hello Martin, thank you for shooting the video. I did not realise that you had planned to upload to YouTube!

The very first presentation of the first day! I have not watched the clip yet, but I recall stumbling rather badly through the main explanation, and our pianist Entani-san dashing-out of the room in order to collect her sheet music!

I believe subsequent presentations gradually improved, so it would be a little disappointing if your video of the very first performance becomes the only record of our efforts... We can do much better!

Regardless, thank you for joining the presentation!

Kind regards,
James
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Thanks James - very classy and professional - you're a really good presenter! Nice idea to use the Onkyo speakers for the backing, too. I really enjoyed it.

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By the way, this model sounds waaay better than any CA I've heard so far. More natural attack, clean and not nasal at all. Held bass notes still have a little static decay, but anyway it sounds better. If this model puts Kawai out of the cheesy sound zone, now that's something!


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