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Curious - Yamaha N2 or N3x?? #2627361
03/27/17 08:07 AM
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Good morning all,

I usually do not post here on the digital forum, but I have noticed a split between some very fine players that I have total respect for in my area. I am wondering what the thoughts here are.

When I ask opinions on the Yamaha Hybrids from some really heavy hitters, there is almost an even split on consensus of which hybrid model performs best to them. I do play and my own humble opinion is that the N3x is best used in ensemble, in a larger space, or in a performance venue. The N2 is best used as a really good practice instrument as it focuses the tone toward the player.

For those who have experience with both, what is your personal preference and why?


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Re: Curious - Yamaha N2 or N3x?? [Re: Rich Galassini] #2627397
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I had the N3 for a couple of years. Having now experienced both I realise I made a mistake. I should've bought the N2. It is a more involving and immediate experience somehow. I think some of the digital pseudo grands have a slight sense of disconnect due to the sound systems firing upwards. The N3 is great and from across the room to a listener there's no issue at all but strictly from the player's perspective I think the N2 is the more enjoyable piano.

They have tweaked the amplification and speaker sizes in the N3X (in addition to newer piano samples) and I cannot comment on the 'X' because I've never played one.

Just my thoughts....

Cheers,

Steve


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Re: Curious - Yamaha N2 or N3x?? [Re: Rich Galassini] #2627399
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Comparing the N2 to the older N3, I prefer playing the N2, because of the way the tone propagates from the piano (from the player's point of view). I have not played an N3X yet, so I can't comment on that comparison directly.


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Re: Curious - Yamaha N2 or N3x?? [Re: Rich Galassini] #2627412
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That is really interesting;

Having never played an AvantGrand, I'm left wondering whether:

1. The N3 doesn't do a good job simulating how a real grand outputs sound (the N2 does better?);

2. People don't actually prefer how a real grand outputs sound (for practice/immediacy/etc.); or

3. Something else completely?



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Re: Curious - Yamaha N2 or N3x?? [Re: Rich Galassini] #2627414
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I practice almost exclusively with headphones. My reason for buying the N3 was twofold, it was the first hybrid of the N series introduced and I wanted a nice piece of furniture as well. The N2 and N1 would have served my practicing purposes equally well on headphones, I just liked the look of a baby grand.



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Re: Curious - Yamaha N2 or N3x?? [Re: Rich Galassini] #2627433
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Originally Posted by Rich Galassini
I do play and my own humble opinion is that the N3x is best used in ensemble, in a larger space, or in a performance venue. The N2 is best used as a really good practice instrument as it focuses the tone toward the player.

For those who have experience with both, what is your personal preference and why?


I am of the same opinion as you here. As a player I prefer the N2, but had to get the N3 because the N2 did not pass the decoration police in charge of the living room. As a listener, the N3 is better. The only thing that gives the player something extra to consider the N3 for practice is the sustain pedal pressure on the N3 is non-linear with closer feel to an acoustic piano whereas the N2 sustain pedal is just like every other digital piano with no damper feel.

Re: Curious - Yamaha N2 or N3x?? [Re: Gombessa] #2627437
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Originally Posted by Gombessa
Having never played an AvantGrand, I'm left wondering whether:

1. The N3 doesn't do a good job simulating how a real grand outputs sound (the N2 does better?);


The N3 doesn't allow you to forget you're not playing a grand piano. A grand piano's sound hugs the player's entire body from all around. The N3 sounds like it's coming from just in front of the player. The N2 sounds to the player like he is playing a traditional acoustic upright piano such as a Yamaha U3, only with much better action than the upright piano.

Re: Curious - Yamaha N2 or N3x?? [Re: 8 Octaves] #2627528
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Rich, back in the Fall I went to Keyboard Concepts in the Valley on two occasions. They were about 10 days apart. I played all three AG models -N3, 2 & 1- which were set up right next to each other.

I tried both with the internal speakers and my older phones (I've since gotten a new , much better pair of Senn 650s) AKG 240s.

My hands down choice on both visits was the N2. I just liked the way the sound was more direct and focused on the speakers. Even with the phones it had a different feel/sound to it that I can't really describe ...but I highly preferred it to the N3.

I'd played the N3 many times since it first came out ( and always enjoyed it) and the N2 sparingly. But this was the first time I had the chance to play the two right next to each other.

Also there was something not real smooth going on with the sustain pedal integration on the N3.

Now I have played the N3 in a restaurant with a Jazz trio backing a vocalist. I was mainly hearing the internal speakers on the band stand yet they had run a line out to house PA for more coverage.

Without a doubt this was the best I ever felt about my playing out live on an electronic keyboard. And I've been playing every electronic keyboard, that attempts to emulate an acoustic piano, known to man for a very long time on gigs.

Ah, almost forgot- I did spend some time on the N3X at this past NAMM. We had arrived early and I found a quiet interlude in the ballroom , so I could hear it pretty well. It did sound very good but not owning an N3 and being intimately familiar with it, I would have a harder time discerning between the two.

Just going on memory of the N3 though, it seemed the 3X was maybe a little smoother on the top end and down through the octave above middle C. I also did not notice any glaring sustain pedal integration weirdness like I did at the store.

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Re: Curious - Yamaha N2 or N3x?? [Re: Rich Galassini] #2627543
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I test drove an n2, n3 and n3x back to back this past weekend. The n3x sample sounded much better to me, good enough that I wouldn't buy an n2 until the n2x is released with the new sample. I much prefer the form factor of the n2 to the n3, so I decided not to buy anything right now.

Re: Curious - Yamaha N2 or N3x?? [Re: Rich Galassini] #2628256
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You don't need to wait for the N2X. The NOVUS has just arrived.

Take that, Yamaha!

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Wow, the Novus is truly a surprise. I can't wait for a chance to try it out.


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Re: Curious - Yamaha N2 or N3x?? [Re: Gombessa] #2628514
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Originally Posted by Gombessa
Wow, the Novus is truly a surprise. I can't wait for a chance to try it out.
I'm in on this. Google is a wonderful thing.


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