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How to repair Red October Piano? #2628278
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How much do you think it is going to cost to restore this Red October piano?

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I got it from a friend whose house went on fire, it has some fire damage as you can see but no big deal

I think it needs action/pedal/wood repair as well as strings replacement

What do you think?

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Re: How to repair Red October Piano? [Re: dan11] #2628328
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Not trying to be mean or abusive here. This piano is finished. It may have been a 'free' piano but that doesn't mean it was worth it. You have saved your friend the expense of getting rid of it by taking on that burden yourself.



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Re: How to repair Red October Piano? [Re: dan11] #2628334
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Like most Russian pianos, these were mostly terrible and not worth even the cost of the material used, most of which was also substandard. This was despite the fact that the acoustic research department at the company was highly respected and its findings are valued worldwide. Del Fandrichhas written about this here.

I would never wish a devastating fire on anyone, but that one did that piano a favor.


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Re: How to repair Red October Piano? [Re: dan11] #2628336
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Originally Posted by dan11
How much do you think it is going to cost to restore this Red October piano?...What do you think?


More than it would cost to buy a couple of decent pianos.


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Re: How to repair Red October Piano? [Re: dan11] #2628388
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I wouldn't touch it, sorry to say.

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Re: How to repair Red October Piano? [Re: dan11] #2628433
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Does the piano hold any historic significance or sentimental value to you? Or do you just want to restore it because it got damaged?

Re: How to repair Red October Piano? [Re: dan11] #2628442
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A high quality large second-hand upright piano would be better than almost any 'grand' piano as small as that, let alone one that was very poor when it was brand new, and is now fire-damaged.

It won't cost anything to get restored, because it won't get restored.

In my opinion, anyone who would take money to work on that piano, is not ethical and does not love pianos.

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Re: How to repair Red October Piano? [Re: dan11] #2628606
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Dan11,

What you may not know is that fire (as well as heat, and steam from putting the fire out) can have very long range detrimental effects on a piano that do not become evident for quite some time.

That is why you are being told these things. It's not because we're trying get to be abusive. It's reality borne from past experience and mistaken restorations on pianos subjected to this kind of destruction.

Sorry, but it is a very risky thing to get involved with this. Hope you understand.

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Re: How to repair Red October Piano? [Re: dan11] #2629307
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Ok sounds like I'll have to dump it or hand over to someone else but before I do that I was wondering if I could just buy a new set of strings and get someone to pull out the old ones and fix the new ones in place just to make the thing playable? Will it be at all worth the hassle?
I really just wanted something "real" to play on and with it being the only piano I ever got to own it would a pity to get rid of so quickly, just my thoughts
If it's going to cost more than $500 to repair (function only, I care less about the looks) I'd really just throw it away since even that is too much for me to invest

Re: How to repair Red October Piano? [Re: dan11] #2629317
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dan11, please believe us, this piano really is NOT a goer!

It will cost you more than $500 just to BUY the strings, not counting the time and highly skilled labor to remove the old ones and fit the new ones.

Why do you think new strings would help? The strings are not so likely to be damaged as every single other thing in the piano. Keep the strings and fit them in another piano! (Just kidding).

We are very much in sympathy with your comments about owning a piano. It is a fine thing to have a real acoustic piano.

But you know, you do not need to settle for a fire-damaged wreck that was a very inferior piano even when it was brand new.

Nowadays there are lots of fine quality large older uprights 'going for a song' or indeed being dumped. I am sure if you keep your eyes open, watch Craigslist etc, you will find something.

And if your eye lights upon one, you can always ask us in here what we think about it, before taking it on.

Re: How to repair Red October Piano? [Re: dan11] #2629335
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Dan, where are you located? Knowing this helps us help you with more specific information. Your English is very good but so far as I know, there are few RO pianos in the US. Here, you can, with some very careful shopping, find a usable used piano for under $1,000. Now, it won't be a grand, but it will be usable.


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Re: How to repair Red October Piano? [Re: dan11] #2629343
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Hi David thanks for the insight, yes I'm quite convinced by now I should just dump it and move on
I'll be looking for a better find and definitely come back here for advice/assessment
It was a good lesson though!

Re: How to repair Red October Piano? [Re: dan11] #2714973
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Would the heat from a fire have an effect on the strings? I used to do quite a lot of blacksmithing at one time. having made, for example, a tool, it was necessary to harden and temper the item. This was a considerable science and heat has a considerable effect on steel.


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Re: How to repair Red October Piano? [Re: dan11] #2714977
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One of my clients lost two pianos I had restrung in the Oakland Hills Fire. She told me that the only thing left was the strings. But even they were toast, of course.


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Re: How to repair Red October Piano? [Re: Duke of Dunning] #2714978
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Originally Posted by Duke of Dunning
Like most Russian pianos, these were mostly terrible and not worth even the cost of the material used, most of which was also substandard.
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With rare exception, some grand pianos "Red October" has a nice timbre and hardy action. The strength of sound ALL baby grand piano it's brand leaves much to be desired, I think.

Re: How to repair Red October Piano? [Re: dan11] #2716073
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salvage any parts that you can use on other pianos if you're in the trade, use the wooden parts as firewood if it is allowed by the health authorities in your area, and safely scrap the rest.


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Re: How to repair Red October Piano? [Re: dan11] #2716873
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low pitch of village grand piano "Red October"


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