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#2628200 - 03/30/17 12:38 AM Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017  
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Hello folks,

Here's some news that you may find interesting:

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To coincide with the company’s 90th anniversary, Kawai is proud to announce that a brand new hybrid digital piano instrument, the NOVUS NV10, will be previewed to the public at Frankfurt Musikmesse 2017.

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See you in Frankfurt! wink

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#2628201 - 03/30/17 12:49 AM Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James]  
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Oh wow, this is excellent. Curious to see pricing, of course. If it's price competitive with the Yamaha N1, I would strongly consider getting one.

Maybe I am crazy, but if the GL-10 sells for ~10k USD, maybe it's still possible for something like this to be under 6k USD.

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Product Name: Kawai Hybrid Digital Piano NOVUS (Novus) NV 10
Venue: Frankfurt Music Messe Germany · Frankfurt City International Trade Fair Venue Period: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 (Sat)

"NOVUS NV 10" which will be exhibited this time will be used for Kawai's grand piano keyboard action "Ultra Responsive · Action II", which is highly appreciated for improving performance, by long fulcrum distance and adoption of innovative materials, It is specially arranged for digital piano and mounted, it reproduces without touching its touch performance.
In addition, it has the same features as the grand piano, which is equipped with a "damper mechanism" which is a breakthrough even as a hybrid type, that the keyboard touch lightens when stepping on a damper pedal and the keyboard touch becomes heavier when releasing the damper pedal I will. With this, you can play with the feeling of playing the grand piano.


On the sound side, launched the result of business alliance with Onkyo Corporation (hereafter, Onkyo), sound source technology which reproduces the highest full concert piano SK-EX of Kawai and the sound peculiar to piano, 1 bit processing, premium dual DAC , DIDRC filter, amp etc. Among the latest audio technologies based on Onkyo, it creates a clear piano sound with depth.

■ About NOVUS NV10 demonstration

We will set up a joint booth with Onkyo in Kawai booth and demonstrate NOVUS NV 10. Onkyo's concept audio amplifier with the same technology as NOVUS NV10, concept speaker using Kawai's piano painting also displayed, introducing high quality sound that Kawai and Onkyo's technology merged by playing along with the piano sound of NV10 To do.
During the holding period, we are going to introduce the charm and technology of Kawai Hybrid Digital Piano NOVUS NV 10 through special site ( www.kawai-onkyo.com/NOVUS_preview ) and social media account etc. (Scheduled to be opened on April 5, 2017)

About capital and business alliance with Onkyo

Since the capital and business alliance of November 24, 2015, Onkyo and the Company are promoting joint development of new category products and services. Last year, we exhibited "CS-X1" which we jointly researched and developed at the same event and exhibited very popular. This fiscal year, we further developed the technology of "CS-X1", and this exhibition will show this NOVUS NV10.
We will continue to cooperate with Onkyo in order to reflect new technologies to the products of the two companies.




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#2628207 - 03/30/17 01:31 AM Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James]  
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It's perhaps worth noting that the 'Millennium III' grand piano action is referred to as 'Ultra Responsive Action II' in Japan.

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#2628208 - 03/30/17 01:32 AM Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James]  
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Wow, that's big news. Even has the damper mechanism!

In other announcements, a new website has been setup so you can auction off your surplus organs in order to pay for your new Novus NV10... wink

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#2628214 - 03/30/17 02:34 AM Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James]  
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Wow that new thing - and the damper mechanism in particular - looks cute. Perhaps I should visit Musikmesse...


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This is just awesome! I hope this is what I have been waiting for. My only hope is samples are either non-looped or are considerably longer than current HI-XL. It would be such a shame otherwise.


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#2628226 - 03/30/17 04:21 AM Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James]  
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Véry nice looking.. hope to see more of this soon


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#2628234 - 03/30/17 05:51 AM Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: CyberGene]  
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Cool! I was waiting for Kawai to put their Millenium III in a DP.

Originally Posted by CyberGene
This is just awesome! I hope this is what I have been waiting for. My only hope is samples are either non-looped or are considerably longer than current HI-XL. It would be such a shame otherwise.

It's still HI-XL
http://www.kawai-global.com/news/novus-nv10-musikmesse-2017-preview/


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#2628238 - 03/30/17 06:37 AM Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James]  
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Originally Posted by Kridlatec
Please, VPC2 with this action for affordable price!


Absolutely! This action in VPC2, even more compact than VPC1, and at least half the price of VPC1, you bloody capitalists! $399 seems a reasonable price.

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Originally Posted by Kridlatec
Please, VPC2 with this action for affordable price!

Using that action would make it huge and heavy, wouldn't it?


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#2628247 - 03/30/17 07:54 AM Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: f3r]  
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Originally Posted by f3r
Originally Posted by Kridlatec
Please, VPC2 with this action for affordable price!

Using that action would make it huge and heavy, wouldn't it?

Of course, not for being cheap and mobile device! But many people, I believe, need just extra class action, without built-in acoustic system, sound engine and full grand piano cabinet which highly rise the price. Just a grand-piano action in VPC1 style for our virtual pianos.


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#2628248 - 03/30/17 08:01 AM Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kawai James]  
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This is excellent news! I'm curious to learn more about it.

Any idea about the price?



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#2628253 - 03/30/17 08:14 AM Re: Kawai to preview NOVUS NV10 hybrid piano at Musicmesse 2017 [Re: Kridlatec]  
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Originally Posted by Kridlatec
Originally Posted by f3r
Originally Posted by Kridlatec
Please, VPC2 with this action for affordable price!

Using that action would make it huge and heavy, wouldn't it?

Of course, not for being cheap and mobile device! But many people, I believe, need just extra class action, without built-in acoustic system, sound engine and full grand piano cabinet which highly rise the price. Just a grand-piano action in VPC1 style for our virtual pianos.


A real piano action is a very expensive thing. Add to this the new damper stuff in the Kawai hybrid that requires mechanical linkages between the pedals and the action and you already have a huge cabinet. It's only the speakers and amp that are missing ($200) and the sound engine which probably costs no more than $20. Not a huge saving.

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Originally Posted by f3r
Originally Posted by Kridlatec
Please, VPC2 with this action for affordable price!

Using that action would make it huge and heavy, wouldn't it?


Everyone knows carbon composites are light! wink

(in actual seriousness I'm not sure what the weight of the millennium 3 action is but given that GF2 already seems to replicate much if not all of the 'heft'/inertia of a grand piano then the full action weight may not actually be much more. Extra cabinet will weight more though, + the whole pedal/damper thing.

Originally Posted by f3r

It's still HI-XL


But new 'advanced Acoustic Rendering resonance modelling', still a slim chance that the post attack part of the note may be modelled in some manner. Unlikely I think.

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preview, or sell.

It is clear that for the "serious" amateur, living in town with neighbors this could
be fantastic. It is clear from reading about the 1-bit processing that Kawai have an entirely new set of
electronics too -- This is when they were talking about an earlier prototype using this technology: http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/topic/172683/gonew/1.html



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http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/question620.htm 1 bit dac in conjuction with a class D amp might yield something that would make dogs and bats go crazy when you play it though XD


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Looking forward to reading more about the optical sensors...

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Can anyone guesstimate the size of the acoustic piano the action comes from?

I have to say from the picture a few posts above, the Kawai action looks longer than the action in the AvantGrand.



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I recall trying out the GL series pianos ( acoustics that house that millenium 3 action) not long ago, several of them, feels like a pleasure I must say.

Back then, my thought was why do kawai not make an avantgrand like product with that ?? then I thought, perhaps kawai think GF2 is close enough, that it's not worth the extra cost to do a true hybrid, but now it appears they have come around to it.

Great news. I wouldn't expect this to be cheap in a sense of being anywhere close in price to keyboards that house gf2 currently, understandably so, Avantgrand price territory perhaps.


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Originally Posted by Goss


Nice.

A picture of the AvantGrand's action, for comparison, would be great.

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Would be interesting to see whether the hammers hit something, probably a piece of felt in the part of the body that's been removed. And it certainly looks like longer than AG keys.

If this beast's price is near (preferably below) N1, I will be the first one to order it!!!

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Anyone willing to venture a guess on the size of the grand piano this action could come from?



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Originally Posted by CyberGene
Would be interesting to see whether the hammers hit something, probably a piece of felt in the part of the body that's been removed. And it certainly looks like longer than AG keys.

If this beast's price is near (preferably below) N1, I will be the first one to order it!!!


I think it will be between the N1 and N2 in terms of price. Something like 7/8 grand.
But this monster has a "damper mechanism" and, it appears, longer keys.

So yes, take that, Yamaha!

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It's too big to fit my flat frown
and I assume the price will be in the middle between N1 and N2. But it seems like another breakthrough after AvantGrand and U1 series from Yamaha. First time in history they have real competition. I am omitting V-Grand, because it's price was three Times that of N1.

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Note that all current Kawai grands use the Millenium III, even the Shigeru Kawais. Also, Kawai recently (I don't know exactly when) extended the length of the keysticks of their pianos (which ones I don't know, at least on their smaller models including the uprights), putting also the pivot point further back.

Here are some pics of an SK-2 action:
http://wlundahl.zenfolio.com/p311433607/h15ae2b6a#h15ae2b6a

Kawai GL-10:


and Yamaha AvantGrand's:
http://www.mediafire.com/view/44782tma16felxr/IMG_1303.JPG#
http://www.mediafire.com/view/cjidpy59exjm50d/IMG_1299.JPG#
http://www.mediafire.com/view/5c13lb6bz1cmoft/IMG_1296.JPG#
http://www.mediafire.com/view/7d7nc6oq1ps7q33/IMG_1295.JPG#
http://www.mediafire.com/view/s5l8lu1b9f3ss00/IMG_1281.JPG#

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