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Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: brooster] #2633206
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I have a question to those guys who own a RD 2000.

When you go into Menu \ System \ Info, what do you see?

I 'upgraded' my operating system or so I thought (jumping through the appropriate hoops, receiving no error messages) but still see 1.01 and (0039).

What do you guys see? I thought I upgraded the OS from 1.01 to 1.02 though the Info didn't change and there were no error messages. I'm not concerned as I'll wait until the next upgrade before I contact Roland to see what's going on.


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Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: Dave Horne] #2633207
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Originally Posted by Dave Horne
Originally Posted by Gombessa
Is any of that expandable via axial upgrades, or is that something else completely?


The RD 2000 is expandable to import the Axial library. There's an EXP button above the Tone buttons to call up Axial sounds that you load into either Bank A or B (if I understand this correctly).


Thanks Dave. What I don't know is if the axial library contains any of the other SN sound being discussed. What do you get exactly of you perform this upgrade?


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Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: Bachus] #2633208
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Originally Posted by Bachus
Originally Posted by brooster
The most disappointing thing this year at a Musik exhibition was the Roland RD-2000 at NAMM 2017.

Roland took the OLD TECH from their previous-previous semi-supernatural RD's and NX's along with the PHA 1, 2, 3, 4 etc and threw in the new -old ?V-Piano? then put some racing strips on the sides to pretend that it is souped up. Souped up? More like re-heated Mulligan Stew.
What I was hoping for was an Integra 88 with an improved keyboard action.
The lineage of the Integra 7 is the Jupter-80 - not re-hashed mulligans!

When you get right down to it pianos are just 88 key drums. wink


The line between workstations and stage piano's is becomming thinner and thinner...

However, having the VA synth of the Integra/jp80/fa08 would definately have given the Nord stage an even fiercer competitor.. and if they would have added the SN acoustic orchestral sounds of the JP80 it would have been close to a workstation...


But then... if you are running mainstage with NI komplete, Pianoteq, Arturia V-collection, Spectrasonics keyscape and omnisphere with Roland V-cloud on top of that.... who cares that there are a few less synth sounds on board?


Everyone should be so happy that roland gave the same sounds that have been in the last 3-4 rd/nx keyboards and then gave us 10 ?v-pianos? from 10 years ago. MayBee next year you will get 11 "new" sounds from 11 years ago! yippee!

And May-Bee next year they will introduce an rd with the good integra-7 sounds. but i doubt that the May-Bees will Bee flying.

I played trombone professionally for years. I used one horn my entire career and occasionally would tinker with different mouthpieces.
Keyboard players should do the same. Get a good controller and then occasionally shop for sounds.

!!!!!!Summer NAMM is right around the corner!!!!!

P.S. the trombone is not a percussion instrument (cymbal crash).


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Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: Gombessa] #2633213
04/15/17 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Gombessa
Originally Posted by Dave Horne
Originally Posted by Gombessa
Is any of that expandable via axial upgrades, or is that something else completely?


The RD 2000 is expandable to import the Axial library. There's an EXP button above the Tone buttons to call up Axial sounds that you load into either Bank A or B (if I understand this correctly).


Thanks Dave. What I don't know is if the axial library contains any of the other SN sound being discussed. What do you get exactly of you perform this upgrade?


You'll have to go to Roland's Axial site to learn more. At this point, I'm not interested in this; I'm still learning the OS.

The upgrade, this is another topic unrelated to the Axial library ... Roland Support site has a 1.02 upgrade with specific instructions. (I posted this at a Roland user group ... http://forums.rolandclan.com/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=53437 )





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Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: brooster] #2633220
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From my limited experience with embedded systems, it would be fairly low risk to attempt the upgrade again. Roland may have missed incrementing the version string, but it'll either let you apply the update again, or recognize that the versions are the same and prevent you from doing so.


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Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: brooster] #2633235
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Absolutely none of the samples or sounds are new? Is that true?

Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: AB99] #2633268
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Originally Posted by AB99
Absolutely none of the samples or sounds are new? Is that true?


As a guy that was formerly with Roland through MANY iterations of the RD series, and have now had a chance to spend time with the RD-2000, No it is not true...

There are many new tones on the RD-2000.... In all categories. All very usable, and the addition of the Axial libraries, add significant flexibility.

Jay


Formerly in the business. Now just a piano fan.
Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: Dave Horne] #2633299
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Originally Posted by Dave Horne
I have a question to those guys who own a RD 2000.

When you go into Menu \ System \ Info, what do you see?

I 'upgraded' my operating system or so I thought (jumping through the appropriate hoops, receiving no error messages) but still see 1.01 and (0039).

What do you guys see? I thought I upgraded the OS from 1.01 to 1.02 though the Info didn't change and there were no error messages. I'm not concerned as I'll wait until the next upgrade before I contact Roland to see what's going on.


Dave, Have you contacted (called) the Roland support? I mean directly the Roland company to clarify this matter.

Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: Sahhan] #2633307
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Originally Posted by Sahhan
Originally Posted by Dave Horne
I have a question to those guys who own a RD 2000.

When you go into Menu \ System \ Info, what do you see?

I 'upgraded' my operating system or so I thought (jumping through the appropriate hoops, receiving no error messages) but still see 1.01 and (0039).

What do you guys see? I thought I upgraded the OS from 1.01 to 1.02 though the Info didn't change and there were no error messages. I'm not concerned as I'll wait until the next upgrade before I contact Roland to see what's going on.


Dave, Have you contacted (called) the Roland support? I mean directly the Roland company to clarify this matter.


I'll wait until the next upgrade is released and see how that goes.


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Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: brooster] #2633323
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Dave, mine shows 1.02 after I did the update. As far as new sounds in the RD-2000, basically you have the V-Piano engine, which has 10 "models", then you have the same SuperNATURAL sound set as the RD-800, with the addition of the RD-1000 sounds, and then it has several new EPs, all tine sounds. I don't know what Axial libraries might be released yet, but as much as I am enjoying my RD-2000, I can't agree with Jay that it has new sounds in every category, besides the V-Piano, the RD-1000 sounds, and the handful of new tweaked EPs, this thing is essentially an RD-800 inside. Hold the soundlist from both keyboards side by side, even the name of the sounds and the preset numbers are identical except for the additions I mentioned. Excited to see what Axial possibilities we will see, but new sounds/samples in every category as it ships from the factory, just not true. Still, it blows any previous keyboard I've ever owned out of the water for MIDI control, and I think the DAC in the RD-2000 is a step up from the RD-800 (which I owned until about 3 months ago, so all in all, a fantastic keyboard, just not groundbreaking sound wise. That being said, every company does this in some respects.



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Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: brooster] #2633390
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I just sent Roland here in Europe an e-mail describing my attempt to update the operating system. We'll see what happens.


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Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: brooster] #2633498
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Originally Posted by brooster
The most disappointing thing this year at a Musik exhibition was the Roland RD-2000 at NAMM 2017.


I don't think that statement fits anything but an "argument" of convenience.

Originally Posted by brooster
Roland took the OLD TECH from their previous.......


What? You mean like Steinway and Bosendorfer? (To name but two!)

I think most people can live with that.

Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: brooster] #2633510
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I played some fast and slow blues with the rd 2000 and kawai mp 11 so you can here the difference in the sound , saying that I still did not get all of the distortion out of the roland , next song I play on it I will do a sound check on it before I record. If interested you need to go to Mike Lupinetti on you tube. Thanks Brooster for putting the other video on the forums ,Mike. Ps. I'm still using the stage grand V piano on the roland and concert grand sound on the kawai.

Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: brooster] #2633512
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Here is a link to the video what PianoMike said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CoY6FabfZ4

Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: Sahhan] #2633519
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Originally Posted by Sahhan
Here is a link to the video what PianoMike said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CoY6FabfZ4


PianoMike needs to record with a lower level.


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Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: brooster] #2633581
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Well - mine arrives tomorrow if all goes well. I hope the action is at least as good as the RD800.

Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: AB99] #2633659
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Originally Posted by AB99
Well - mine arrives tomorrow if all goes well. I hope the action is at least as good as the RD800.


Personally i think its way better... but then i like a lighter action...

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Originally Posted by brooster
Originally Posted by Bachus
Originally Posted by brooster
The most disappointing thing this year at a Musik exhibition was the Roland RD-2000 at NAMM 2017.

Roland took the OLD TECH from their previous-previous semi-supernatural RD's and NX's along with the PHA 1, 2, 3, 4 etc and threw in the new -old ?V-Piano? then put some racing strips on the sides to pretend that it is souped up. Souped up? More like re-heated Mulligan Stew.
What I was hoping for was an Integra 88 with an improved keyboard action.
The lineage of the Integra 7 is the Jupter-80 - not re-hashed mulligans!

When you get right down to it pianos are just 88 key drums. wink


The line between workstations and stage piano's is becomming thinner and thinner...

However, having the VA synth of the Integra/jp80/fa08 would definately have given the Nord stage an even fiercer competitor.. and if they would have added the SN acoustic orchestral sounds of the JP80 it would have been close to a workstation...


But then... if you are running mainstage with NI komplete, Pianoteq, Arturia V-collection, Spectrasonics keyscape and omnisphere with Roland V-cloud on top of that.... who cares that there are a few less synth sounds on board?


Everyone should be so happy that roland gave the same sounds that have been in the last 3-4 rd/nx keyboards and then gave us 10 ?v-pianos? from 10 years ago. MayBee next year you will get 11 "new" sounds from 11 years ago! yippee!

And May-Bee next year they will introduce an rd with the good integra-7 sounds. but i doubt that the May-Bees will Bee flying.

I played trombone professionally for years. I used one horn my entire career and occasionally would tinker with different mouthpieces.
Keyboard players should do the same. Get a good controller and then occasionally shop for sounds.

!!!!!!Summer NAMM is right around the corner!!!!!

P.S. the trombone is not a percussion instrument (cymbal crash).


If you find the differences between the RD2000 and the RD800 disappointing, I'd hate to see how you'll react to the Nord Stage 3...


Prog enthusiast, keyboardist, occasional guitarist/bassist/mandolinist
Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: brooster] #2634097
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While my saga continues, now with a Roland tech, to figure out why my RD 2000 is not updating, I learned how to perform a test on the keyboard.



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Re: Roland RD-2000 [Re: brooster] #2634109
04/18/17 12:28 PM
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My issue is this ... when I first attempted to update the RD 2000 from version 1.01 to 1.02 I downloaded a zip file from their web site.

When I opened that zip file there were _five_ bin files. When I installed those files, my Roland screen confirmed that four of those files has been installed and that the update was finished.

I then noticed that the version of the RD 2000 had not changed.

I later learned from a Roland tech that there should only be one bin file. When I went back the next day to Roland's download page I saw that the file for the RD 2000 had been changed and that there was only one bin file to deal with.

Fortunately I took a photo of the installation clearly showing four bin files installed and I found those five deleted bin files in Recycle Bin. I made a screen shot of that and sent that as well to the Roland tech helping me.

I feel better about this since I know I did nothing wrong and I have the files and photos to prove it. Someone at Roland made a change in the update procedure from using four or five bin files (in that zip file) to just one.





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