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Re: 444 Hz vs. 440 Hz? [Re: Piano Practice] #2623027
03/12/17 02:46 PM
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There are people out there with some rather strange ideas. It is definitely a nightmare if you are going to try to play with other instruments designed at a lower pitch.

David, you're not the only one who thinks it's mumbo-jumbo. There are lots of other unanswered questions with this whole philosophy.

Pwg


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Re: 444 Hz vs. 440 Hz? [Re: Piano Practice] #2626588
03/24/17 05:37 PM
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I thought I would give an update on my A444 experiment if anyone is interested.

I have now brought the piano back down to A440. I have to admit (much to my surprise) that the piano actually did sound better at A444 (at least in some respects).

I would say that overall it sounded cleaner, brighter, with less garbage in it, and was actually easier to tune.

However, on the negative side, all beats were faster, creating a slightly irritating feeling, not serious, but definitely there. And, of course, when attempting to match to another instrument...forget it.

I cannot exactly put into words the feeling I got when playing due to the higher pitch. Irritating is probably not the best word. Not harsh...just can't entirely explain it.

But the fact that it became a cleaner, crisper sound was rather pleasant. Almost enough to override the other feeling that I can't describe. I am kind of missing that sound now that it's back to 440.

Sustain did not change. Volume did not seem to change much if any.


Years ago when I tuned for Midori (the violinist), she specified that the piano was to be tuned to A443. I resisted but did it, but before she went on stage I asked her why A443? She simply said: "I just think the piano sounds better at that pitch". That was it. Maybe she had a point. I don't know if she still requires that for her performances.

Anyway, that's it. If anyone else has had experience or observations doing this feel free to post it.

Pwg





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Re: 444 Hz vs. 440 Hz? [Re: Piano Practice] #2626589
03/24/17 05:37 PM
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I thought I would give an update on my A444 experiment if anyone is interested.

I have now brought the piano back down to A440. I have to admit (much to my surprise) that the piano actually did sound better at A444 (at least in some respects).

I would say that overall it sounded cleaner, brighter, with less garbage in it, and was actually easier to tune.

However, on the negative side, all beats were faster, creating a slightly irritating feeling, not serious, but definitely there. And, of course, when attempting to match to another instrument...forget it.

I cannot exactly put into words the feeling I got when playing due to the higher pitch. Irritating is probably not the best word. Not harsh...just can't entirely explain it.

But the fact that it became a cleaner, crisper sound was rather pleasant. Almost enough to override the other feeling that I can't describe. I am kind of missing that sound now that it's back to 440.

Sustain did not change. Volume did not seem to change much if any.


Years ago when I tuned for Midori (the violinist), she specified that the piano was to be tuned to A443. I resisted but did it, but before she went on stage I asked her why A443? She simply said: "I just think the piano sounds better at that pitch". That was it. Maybe she had a point. I don't know if she still requires that for her performances.

Anyway, that's it. If anyone else has had experience or observations doing this feel free to post it.

Pwg





Peter W. Grey, RPT
New Hampshire Seacoast
www.seacoastpianodoctor.com
pianodoctor57@gmail.com
(Best way to contact me privately)
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