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Piano Sound Module #2625560
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I'm looking to get piano module for my controller keyboard (fatar SL900). Are there any "modern" piano midi modules still being made? I was going to get an EMU PROformance 1+ Piano ($75) or an M-Audio Accent Piano Module ($200). Has anyone played the M-Audio? I remember the Proformance sounding good to me when I had it, but that was 25 years ago! I'm guessing the M-Audio (though not a great sound) would still be better than 25 year old technology.

The only thing that I don't like about the M-Audio is that it doesn't have midi out.

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Here's one of the best recent modules.

https://youtu.be/z8Zw-6v6NZA


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Love Ivory, but at $1,500...it's just a bit out of my price range. wink Looking to spend a couple hundred max. Was wondering when these were going to be released though.

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More recently there has been at least
- Some products from Ketron
- Limex Vienna Grand Piano
- General Music RP-X
- Kurzweil ME-1
- Yamaha p-50m
- AKAI SG01p

...and at that point we are already back to the 90s.

But some of the more recent general purpose sound modules (Roland's SoundCanvas etc.) may have decent pianos too.


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Re: Piano Sound Module [Re: Huge] #2625593
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I've previously owned the Yamaha p-50m, The Kurzweil ME1 (and predecessor Micro-Piano), General Music RP-X (and its predecessor), Korg SG-Pro-Rack and Roland P55, MKS-20 and P330.

I'd take RP-X if I could find one out of that list or possibly the Yamaha because it has decent EQ on the front panel which can make a very significant difference to the sound.

I would be interested in knowing how good the Limex Vienna module is. That is far more recent than the others. The Roland Integra is a beast and very expensive. I assume it's good but I've never played one.

However, by the general standards of hardware DPs now I think most of them would be a bit disappointing. In some cases very disappointing!

Come on Clavia....a Nord Rack at £500 (or possibly even £750) would be a very welcome addition to the market place.


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Re: Piano Sound Module [Re: Huge] #2625602
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There are few options for what you want. The computer via interface and USB option is more common these days, and the sky is the limit once your system is up and running, glitch free.

But the module obviously has advantages. One of which is that running glitch-free with a computer can take a lot of effort and research/ learning. So the midi module still makes a lot of sense, especially if you are setting up and packing away for gigs or moving around.

The Keytron Klavi Pro Piano-Expander looks and sounds good to me, and it's around €250 from Thomann. The M-audio didn't sound as good to me (on YouTube) and i couldn't find it for sale anyway.

The next price band really seems to be high priced modules for professional stage use or well healed individuals - Roland Integra and Synthogy Ivory VR II. But these cost $thousands - way more than a good computer based system.


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What about iPad or Android software options? I've never tried one, personally, but perhaps a bit easier for gigging?

I think for computers, it just takes a bit to get a streamlined setup but once it's up and running, one shouldn't run into glitches unless you change something (or you're using Windows, which likes to change things for you wink ). Still, it should be pretty reliable and I've seen bands using them more and more on stage.


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Ah, I forgot the Alesis Nanopiano from the "more recent" ones. It's from late 90s I guess. Lots of presets, decent polyphony but somehow I got the feeling that the acoustic pianos dont' even have any velocity layers. Just the same sound loud or quiet. (I don't have a one anymore.) The Rhodes had at least two layers as it had that "growl" when playing louder.

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The m-audio is available at B&H. The demo on YouTube sounds pretty good.

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Thank you for the suggestions. I have some very nice piano VST Instruments, but that's the thing: Sometimes I just don't want to fire up the Tower Computer, open up my DAW and load up a VSTI. I just want to flip a switch and play! wink

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As Morodiene mentioned, modern tablets and phones are starting to be a real alternative to the more complicated and less reliable PC setups.
If you have a device with around 2gb ram (iPhone 6s or iPad Air2 or Android equivalent) you can actually play some very nice pianos and other instruments for free using sounds from my site.
https://sites.google.com/site/soundfonts4u/
All you need is a cheap app (around $10) that supports Soundfonts like bs-16i from bismark.


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Originally Posted by Huge
Thank you for the suggestions. I have some very nice piano VST Instruments, but that's the thing: Sometimes I just don't want to fire up the Tower Computer, open up my DAW and load up a VSTI. I just want to flip a switch and play! wink


I don't even do that. Piano's permanently on, as is the laptop. An ole Vista one, it's probably good for nothing except hosting pianoteq. And MyPaint. it's never online and is blissfully trouble free.


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OK, once I have the App (bs-16i), two questions:

1. What's the cable hook up between the ipad and the midi keyboard?

2. The sound font samples are downloaded onto my ipad?

3. Is there much latency?

This would be great as I already have an ipad 2.

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You just need the Apple Camera Connection Kit provided your keyboard has USB Midi (the newer USB 3 CCK is best because it allows charging at the same time. (iPhone 7 users will need an audio interface which will be required also if your keyboard has 5 pin din midi only and no USB midi).
Only trouble is I don't think the iPad 2 is up to spec as it only has 512 mb ram and old 30 pin connector. An iPhone 5 would be more adequate.
On my Air 2 or iPhone 6s there is next to zero latency (certainly not noticeable at all).
The SoundFonts are loaded to bs-16i either via Dropbox/iCloud or via iTunes, Apps, Documents.
Here is an example of someone in Japan using one of my Soundfonts on YouTube
https://youtu.be/0DyTDk41UfM
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https://youtu.be/C_R6jvDXbEM

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Yes, I would say a second hand iPad Air is probably the best bet (assuming you do not wish to buy a brand new device).

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Yes James is right but bear in mind that an Air2 has twice the Ram as an Air1 and Ram is important for SoundFonts. I have several around 1gb in size.
https://sites.google.com/site/soundfonts4u/

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Is there an adapter I can use to convert midi to USB? My keyboard only has Midi out.

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There are lots to choose from but one example is this:
https://www.steinberg.net/en/products/audio_interfaces/ur_series/models/ur22mkii.html
This one does a lot more than just accepting 5 pin din midi input - it also allows vocal or stereo input recording but for the price (should be available for around US$130) it is quite good and includes a lite version of Cubase (Digital Audio Workstation software) for recording etc.
A smaller and cheaper one that just does the midi is the Korg plugKEY.
https://www.amazon.com/Korg-PLUGKEYBK-Channel-Audio-Plug-In/dp/B01HG292GW
With this last one if your device accepts the lightning adaptor then you don't even need the Apple Camera Connection Kit - saving you approx $35.

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Well, looks like it will cost a bit more to use an Ipad to do this. But might be worth investing in the new technology. Thanks so much for the info guys. Really opened my eyes. And here I was using my phone to make calls this whole time! wink

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The new iPads announced yesterday are pretty good value for the money. If you're inclined to do any composition/notation I'd recommend paying more for the iPad Pro. I bought a refurbished 9.7" iPad Pro last year.

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