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#2625335 - 03/20/17 07:18 AM please comment on my piano practice  
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Hi!
Please comment on my piano practice: https://soundcloud.com/henrik-hagnell/sets/practicing-piano-arabesqueby-burgmuller
I recorded this with my digital piano (so you won't hear the metronome)

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#2625338 - 03/20/17 07:38 AM Re: please comment on my piano practice [Re: iamanders]  
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Well, it sounds like you can play it.

Now you need to play it every day in an effort to really gain full control over it.

Then you can make it sound like music.

Good Luck




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#2625344 - 03/20/17 08:46 AM Re: please comment on my piano practice [Re: iamanders]  
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Practice like this to get fluently, then you can try speed it up. I believe this piece is to be played at a faster tempo. Also more dynamic contrast would be great.


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#2625349 - 03/20/17 09:10 AM Re: please comment on my piano practice [Re: iamanders]  
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That's not bad. A few comments if I may...

Articulation and dynamics are important to give this piece the right energy. Don't linger on the last note of each slur. It should be an abrupt staccato. You should also observe the markings in the score. I don't know which version you have but in mine it says piano leggiero, then crescendo, then there's a sforzando, then at the end of the middle part there is a diminuendo e poco rallentando. You should take note of these markings and work on expressing the music instead of just playing it. It will sound a lot more energetic even at a slow tempo.


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#2625356 - 03/20/17 09:42 AM Re: please comment on my piano practice [Re: Qazsedcft]  
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Originally Posted by Qazsedcft
That's not bad. A few comments if I may...

Articulation and dynamics are important to give this piece the right energy. Don't linger on the last note of each slur. It should be an abrupt staccato. You should also observe the markings in the score. I don't know which version you have but in mine it says piano leggiero, then crescendo, then there's a sforzando, then at the end of the middle part there is a diminuendo e poco rallentando. You should take note of these markings and work on expressing the music instead of just playing it. It will sound a lot more energetic even at a slow tempo.


My score shows the same - you sound like my teacher smile She is very particular about the details. Also make note of the separation between slurs (lift right hand) in the middle part. I'm still trying to get it all right ..

#2625366 - 03/20/17 09:53 AM Re: please comment on my piano practice [Re: iamanders]  
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I have a question: is this you practicing, or just a recording showing how you can play it? If it is in fact how you are practicing, then I think you would benefit from taking smaller chunks and practicing them in a manner that is creative but also addresses the individual problems in that passage.

For example, the beginning part suffers a bit from uneven 16ths, and the LH can sometimes be uneven as a result. Compare the introduction of the LH chords only with the LH chords as soon as the RH enters and you will hear that your LH is adjusting for the unevenness of the RH (the first 2 samples it's quite obvious, it's a bit better in the 3rd). Since it's the RH that is the problem, I would address that by practicing RH alone in rhythms: playing them in a long-short pattern (think swinging 16ths), and then when that is easy, switch to a short-long pattern. When easy, then practice with bursts and pauses after each set of (4) 16ths. You play the first 4 notes as fast as you can, then pause and then play the next set of 4 notes as fast as you can, pause, etc.

This method can also help you with the LH melody in the B section.

The articulations also need to be addressed, as mentioned above. Without seeing you play, I'm going to assume that part of this problem is a technical one that would be easier to describe in a lesson. Do you have a teacher? If not, I highly recommend one even if you can only afford a lesson once in a while.


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#2625367 - 03/20/17 09:55 AM Re: please comment on my piano practice [Re: iamanders]  
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Originally Posted by iamanders
Hi!
Please comment on my piano practice: https://soundcloud.com/henrik-hagnell/sets/practicing-piano-arabesqueby-burgmuller
I recorded this with my digital piano (so you won't hear the metronome)


Beautiful! Thank you so much for sharing. Looking forward to hearing more of your music in the future!

#2625368 - 03/20/17 09:55 AM Re: please comment on my piano practice [Re: iamanders]  
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I suspect that playing every day might result in the playing becoming everyday.

A better option, I believe, might be to leave it for a little while and come back to it knowing that the mechanical requirements are in place and that the music needs to be found.

Get rid of the metronome first. You have the rhythmic requirements met, which is all it need be used for. It shouldn't be used across phrases or sections because it can't compensate for the breaths between them.

As mentioned above you need to find the dynamic markings and make the articulation clearer. Then find the climaxes. Music doesn't just move along, it goes somewhere then comes back.

Were I to play the first four measures on their own I would feel the accents on the second rather than the first beat of each bar from the RH figures. This would be supported by the rest at the beginning of M7 and the second beat accent mark in M8. This second beat is lower than the top E in M6 but is reinforced with pedal application. This would be the climax of the this first section (which you seem to have missed) and where there needs to be a healthy pause for the weight and the fuller sound to live in and make its presence felt. We've moved to C Major here, the relative major and this climax is on its dominant seventh. The end of the phrase comes on the first beat of 10.

For the B section, the accent is clearly on the first beat of each measure until it's transferred cleverly back onto the second beat in M18.

In the reprise of the A section we reach E7, the dominant seventh of A minor, in M23 to reach the home key for M26. The move to the dominant is sweeter and less expected after reaching the relative major in the opening. The coda delays the final conclusion, which comes with a firm resolution into the tonic.

The recording isn't very clear, especially considering it's a digital, but the LH is too loud for the delicate RH of the outer sections and is a little uneven.

The tempo is fine for your level and experience. The marked tempo might be reached when your tone is under better control and a lighter touch developed.



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#2625373 - 03/20/17 10:05 AM Re: please comment on my piano practice [Re: iamanders]  
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What does your teacher say about your playing?


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#2625388 - 03/20/17 11:21 AM Re: please comment on my piano practice [Re: iamanders]  
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Nice job. everyone has made great comments. I wanted to say that I have the same issue as you with the left hand being too loud and taking over. Its very common. The left should be more of an accompaniment to the melody. You can practice by touching the left keys but not actually playing, if you do that a few times your left will almost magically lighten the next time you play properly.

#2625390 - 03/20/17 11:41 AM Re: please comment on my piano practice [Re: sara elizabeth]  
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Originally Posted by sara elizabeth
Nice job. everyone has made great comments. I wanted to say that I have the same issue as you with the left hand being too loud and taking over. Its very common. The left should be more of an accompaniment to the melody. You can practice by touching the left keys but not actually playing, if you do that a few times your left will almost magically lighten the next time you play properly.


Graham Fitch has a good video tutorial on this practice technique, which he calls 'miming'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNGWFxnA_SQ

#2625405 - 03/20/17 01:00 PM Re: please comment on my piano practice [Re: iamanders]  
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Thanks for the comments! I do have a teacher but still wanted to hear from you.
My teacher say I mustnot be afraid to play with Dynamics and with short staccato.

#2625496 - 03/20/17 06:40 PM Re: please comment on my piano practice [Re: iamanders]  
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It sound fine 10/10 what is wrong with it?

Also are you beginner or advance?
May I ask if you could link the sheets?

#2625533 - 03/20/17 09:04 PM Re: please comment on my piano practice [Re: Cutestpuppie]  
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Originally Posted by Cutestpuppie
It sound fine 10/10 what is wrong with it?

Also are you beginner or advance?
May I ask if you could link the sheets?


You can download a PDF version here
http://www.free-scores.com/download-sheet-music.php?pdf=362

#2625721 - 03/21/17 03:28 PM Re: please comment on my piano practice [Re: iamanders]  
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Maybe it's my headphones or something, but it sounds like you are accenting each 8th note after each group of 16ths. The slurs are very specific in that piece: your wrist should be floating-off at the end of each slur, which would actually make the 8th notes the lightest notes of each figure. The staccato 8th note (instead of just writing another 16th), reinforces that.


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