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#2625522 - 03/20/17 08:23 PM Re: Slow practice question [Re: Scottswald]
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Thankyou for such good advice, I'm going to bookmark this page as I will want to remind myself of all them tips throughout my Path.

When I see your name it really stands out as the first thing I ever read on piano world was a thread with a title similar to "what's the most useful thing you've ever read on piano world" and someone wrote "anything written by zrtf90" and various people seconding that.

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#2625525 - 03/20/17 08:27 PM Re: Slow practice question [Re: JohnSprung]
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Originally Posted By JohnSprung
Originally Posted By Scottswald
... however between each bar there is hesitation (to safely make sure I'm drilling the correct notes into my fingers) where the arpeggios change on the left hand. Is this ok for repetition or should I slow it down to a snails pace where there are no delays whatsoever?


Do it without the hesitations. They're deadly. If you practice with hesitations, you're burning them into your memory. Use the metronome. If you can, download the free "Audacity" sound processing program, and record your slow practice. Play it back speeded up.



It does make sense that I'm drilling the hesitation in too and not just the correct note.

I understand what you mean about replaying slow practice audacity recordings back speeded/sped up, but why? (Please don't take that the wrong way, just genuinely don't understand the purpose)

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#2625556 - 03/21/17 12:00 AM Re: Slow practice question [Re: zrtf90]
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Originally Posted By zrtf90
Oh, and you need to keep experimenting to find out what works best for you.



That is the best advice you'll get, ever.

Consider joining the 40 Pieces a Year thread.

Congratulations on the new piano. Looks very nice!
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#2625655 - 03/21/17 11:28 AM Re: Slow practice question [Re: fishandchips]
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Originally Posted By fishandchips
Originally Posted By zrtf90
Oh, and you need to keep experimenting to find out what works best for you.



That is the best advice you'll get, ever.

Consider joining the 40 Pieces a Year thread.

Congratulations on the new piano. Looks very nice!



Thanks mate

That challenge sounds very good and it sounds really motivating to to update people on progress (or lack of occasionally) - I thought it was just a place for advanced members to show off and didn't realise it was a learning method for people at all levels.

I assume my completed Alfred's songs could go in there?

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#2625661 - 03/21/17 11:42 AM Re: Slow practice question [Re: Scottswald]
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Originally Posted By Scottswald
Originally Posted By fishandchips
Originally Posted By zrtf90
Oh, and you need to keep experimenting to find out what works best for you.



That is the best advice you'll get, ever.

Consider joining the 40 Pieces a Year thread.

Congratulations on the new piano. Looks very nice!



Thanks mate

That challenge sounds very good and it sounds really motivating to to update people on progress (or lack of occasionally) - I thought it was just a place for advanced members to show off and didn't realise it was a learning method for people at all levels.

I assume my completed Alfred's songs could go in there?


Nothing advanced about it. You'll find pieces from all levels there. Create a SoundCloud account or use YouTube and put your recordings on there. I like to try to record everything I learn and while none of them are perfect, it's nice to go back and see what I could do better. I would probably have to learn some of the pieces over again, but that might help make it better.
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#2625753 - 03/21/17 05:07 PM Re: Slow practice question [Re: Scottswald]
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Originally Posted By Scottswald
...I thought it was just a place for advanced members...


I'm flattered! grin

By all means, join us! It is, indeed, a worthwhile activity. I love it and benefit greatly. You will probably enjoy it as well.

If you need more information about it, read the articles linked in the very first post in the 40 Pieces thread. It is very interesting reading, and lays out quite a good explanation of the benefits.
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#2625793 - 03/21/17 08:10 PM Re: Slow practice question [Re: Scottswald]
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Originally Posted By Scottswald
I understand what you mean about replaying slow practice audacity recordings back speeded/sped up, but why? (Please don't take that the wrong way, just genuinely don't understand the purpose)


Playing back a recording of yourself -- no matter what speed you played, no matter what speed you play it back -- can be a shock. When you're busy playing, all your brain power is tied up in the actual playing, with little to none left over for critical listening.

The first time I did, it was amazing how much worse I actually sucked than I thought I did.

Speeding up your slow play to normal speed makes it somewhat easier to detect any remaining hesitations. You can play a couple octaves lower than written and speed up four times to get the pitch close to right.

*** Again, most important, don't practice with the hesitations. ***

Never practice wrong. If you practice wrong, you learn wrong, and you'll be stuck with unlearning it.

Try your best to make every note sound like music. Don't try to add "expression" later. Remember what Beethoven said: "To play without passion is inexcusable."
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#2625830 - 03/21/17 11:57 PM Re: Slow practice question [Re: JohnSprung]
Ralphiano Online   content
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Originally Posted By JohnSprung


*** Again, most important, don't practice with the hesitations. ***

Never practice wrong. If you practice wrong, you learn wrong, and you'll be stuck with unlearning it.



If I was smarter, I would do this all of the time, instead of just sporadically. blush
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