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#2625024 - 03/18/17 10:45 PM Feet flat on ground when you stop pedaling or?
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I have some questions about pedalling. When you hit the pedal, are you suppose to hit the damper right down? Like right down and not half way down?

Let's say bar 1 - 5 pedal then bar 10-15 pedal. Are you suppose to put your right foot flat on the ground when you finish the 5th bar or is your right leg above the damper and not on the ground? (hovering sorta)

When I'm hovering above the damper I get leg pains lol but when I put feet on the ground I start to panic when the pedal starts because I have to lift my right feet up and press it down (2 leg movement) but when I'm hovering aka my foot is above the damper like its just staying there until I start the 10th bar (Just 1 leg movement).

My grammar sucks. thumb

Sorry if I'm confusing you. tired


Edited by Cutestpuppie (03/18/17 10:46 PM)

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#2625031 - 03/18/17 11:12 PM Re: Feet flat on ground when you stop pedaling or? [Re: Cutestpuppie]
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Originally Posted By Cutestpuppie
I have some questions about pedalling. When you hit the pedal, are you suppose to hit the damper right down? Like right down and not half way down?

Let's say bar 1 - 5 pedal then bar 10-15 pedal. Are you suppose to put your right foot flat on the ground when you finish the 5th bar or is your right leg above the damper and not on the ground? (hovering sorta)

When I'm hovering above the damper I get leg pains lol but when I put feet on the ground I start to panic when the pedal starts because I have to lift my right feet up and press it down (2 leg movement) but when I'm hovering aka my foot is above the damper like its just staying there until I start the 10th bar (Just 1 leg movement).

My grammar sucks. thumb

Sorry if I'm confusing you. tired


I have watched a lot of very accomplished pianists "hover" their foot above (or lightly resting on) the pedals between actuations of the pedals. So, you would be in good company if you were able to do it this way.

I would suggest that you set aside some of your practice time just to experiment with leg muscle positions and levels of tension. Holding the foot with the toes pointed upwards (hovering above the pedal) puts strain on the muscles that run alongside the shin bone. These are muscles that are not accustomed to fine motor movements, and they tend to make their moves in a big way. Lots of power.

Just mess around with trying to find ways to hold your foot pointed upward, but, with the least amount of strain on those leg muscles. You will probably find an ability to hold the foot without a lot of discomfort.

I suspect this is the same leg work as holding your right foot just above the accelerator pedal in your car. You are probably able to drive long periods without similar pain, so, take the time to search out whatever muscle combination achieves that for you at the piano.

Good luck.
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#2625044 - 03/19/17 01:03 AM Re: Feet flat on ground when you stop pedaling or? [Re: Cutestpuppie]
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While I normally prefer flat shoes, I have "pedal shoes" with some heel that I wear when playing. With them it is quite comfortable to keep my foot lightly resting on the pedal. Makes less noise than jumping on it when needed.


Edited by outo (03/19/17 01:05 AM)

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#2625263 - 03/19/17 09:10 PM Re: Feet flat on ground when you stop pedaling or? [Re: Cutestpuppie]
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I rest my foot on the pedal as well so I know where it is.
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#2625511 - 03/20/17 07:49 PM Re: Feet flat on ground when you stop pedaling or? [Re: outo]
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Originally Posted By outo
While I normally prefer flat shoes, I have "pedal shoes" with some heel that I wear when playing. With them it is quite comfortable to keep my foot lightly resting on the pedal. Makes less noise than jumping on it when needed.


I have a block of wood under my heel to get the range of pedal travel to match the comfortable range of motion of my foot. Staying in contact with the pedal is a good habit, as you won't be making a little tap sound when you use it.
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#2625723 - 03/21/17 03:34 PM Re: Feet flat on ground when you stop pedaling or? [Re: Cutestpuppie]
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I always intend to rest my foot on the pedal when it isn't needed at the time, but sometimes I come across a pedal that will go down just from the weight of my foot. Then I hover, but the tension it creates is horrible, so no one should actually do this, from an injury-preventative point of view....but moving your foot over and back seems laborious, though...
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#2625749 - 03/21/17 04:59 PM Re: Feet flat on ground when you stop pedaling or? [Re: SonatainfSharp]
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Coincidence, I know.. But look at the threads on ABF right now, you'd hardly know the piano was involved.
Yours for example, is a biking thing.

"You wear your shoes out, ya silly bug*er, and yer dad'll slap yer 'ed when 'e gets 'ome from work . . Here 'e comes now!" . .Clump clump Clump . . (brief conversation wi 'er indoors; brow thickens greatly as trepidation looms) . . .WHACK!!
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#2625795 - 03/21/17 08:21 PM Re: Feet flat on ground when you stop pedaling or? [Re: SonatainfSharp]
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Originally Posted By SonatainfSharp
..., but sometimes I come across a pedal that will go down just from the weight of my foot. Then I hover, but the tension it creates is horrible,...


Ideally you need a tech to fix that so you can comfortably rest your foot on the pedal. The spring needs to be stronger.

Of course we often have to play less than adequate pianos, so it's far better to move your foot to the side and risk the little tap noise rather than hurting yourself.
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#2625840 - 03/22/17 02:18 AM Re: Feet flat on ground when you stop pedaling or? [Re: Cutestpuppie]
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OK, this is how it should be done. Watch the video from beginning and notice what she does at the 1:00 minute mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjRtgX6yEL4

Ha! It's definitely not what I do. If I had to press the pedal any time during the piece, you bet I'm leaving it over the pedal the whole time. Notice on 2:36 minute on, her foot is over the pedal because the need to pedal every few beats.

BTW, the pianist in the video is my teacher, which is why I said it's how it's should to be done laugh , but I never reach for the pedal then put my foot back on the ground. It is proper technique to do so, so weight of your foot won't interfere with the dampers.

Also, as a tangent, my teacher has always told me "don't pedal Bach." Here she's playing Bach with the pedal! Just go to show rules are there to be broken as needed. Pedaling is possibly the most argued thing in piano training including not letting a student to even touch the pedal for the first 3-5 years, old school, because of need to learn proper finger articulation thoroughly without developing bad technique from use of pedal. I didn't get to use the pedal probably for at least that long. First 3 years, I spent lots of time learning finger pedaling.

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#2625841 - 03/22/17 02:22 AM Re: Feet flat on ground when you stop pedaling or? [Re: outo]
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Originally Posted By outo
While I normally prefer flat shoes, I have "pedal shoes" with some heel that I wear when playing. With them it is quite comfortable to keep my foot lightly resting on the pedal. Makes less noise than jumping on it when needed.


I do this too. I used to play without shoes at home but my ankle started to hurt little bit. Nowadays I always wear my piano shoes when playing my acoustic. The pedals of my digital piano are much more closer to the floor so no shoes needed.
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#2625842 - 03/22/17 02:59 AM Re: Feet flat on ground when you stop pedaling or? [Re: Cutestpuppie]
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Yes, the foot is movable.
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#2626082 - 03/22/17 10:34 PM Re: Feet flat on ground when you stop pedaling or? [Re: Cutestpuppie]
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Thanks everyone! smile
I think I just hover my foot and feet flat if the pedal is not active for x bars.

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