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Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano [Re: Kawai James] #2623632
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very interesting videos Gray44 - thanks for posting

I'm after a decent midi controller - but nothing really does what I need - except maybe the PX-5S

88 keys - best action I can get - not fussed about internal sounds - pitch and mod-wheel


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Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano [Re: Buckster] #2623762
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I had just some little time to play a demo ES110 in a local dealer shop.
I had no immediate access to the ES100 for a A-B action test, but I use to play it almost everyday at home.
I think ES110 action is a little bit stiffer, not heavier or lighter, but more straight-down without so much bounce-balance when the key is pressed at half.
I will retest it again before changing it for my ES100.
Sounds and capabilities are close... Hammond vibrato time change (Leslie speed from low to high) is excellent plus and line outs backside also.
Weight is the reason for me, but I have to be sure for the action cause I'm in love with the ES100's AHA-IV since buying it!


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Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano [Re: Kawai James] #2623919
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Does anyone know if the ES110 has two or three key sensors? I could not find anything in the manual.


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Originally Posted by lance111
Does anyone know if the ES110 has two or three key sensors? I could not find anything in the manual.


I believe it has two sensors.

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano [Re: Kawai James] #2624293
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Unfortunately I have to send back for a refund my first digital piano. It was an ES110, and I had high hopes from it.
Beside the obvious key spacing issue, which was not a reason for a return by itself, it had an ugly side-effect: pressing some keys, especially on F1 it resonated the plastic case on low volume, and even when turned off.

https://youtu.be/41vFFKpUZEA

As you can see at the end, while I pressed the case down, the issue goes away. It does the same on the stand or on the floor.

On headphone it sounds great, on full volume as well as you don't get to hear this. Key actions seem alright. I'm just not ready to pay almost $1000 for a piano that feels like a cheap plastic toy, I was expecting more from a Kawai.

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Yes, It's a shame, construction materials are not the best, mostly plastic, I had a similar issue with four keys and the last key on the right, probably some noise by vibration, I fixed it by putting a piece of rubber in between the key structure and the case, it's not the best solution but I did it because in my case it was not a critical problem, and now I don't hear that noise anymore, it's similar what you say: "while I pressed the case down, the issue goes away", even so your ES110 seems to be a faulty one, and yeah it's very expensive to come with those factory defects, you're in all your right, the best way is first try the piano in the store.

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Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano [Re: ES110] #2624465
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Hello Florian,

Thank you posting the video.

I shall pass this useful footage on to my colleagues, and request that they investigate the cause of this issue.

Originally Posted by ES110
I'm just not ready to pay almost $1000 for a piano that feels like a cheap plastic toy, I was expecting more from a Kawai.


I'm sorry to read that you were dissatisfied with the instrument.
Currently, the ES110 can be purchased for $729 in the US and €689 in Europe.

If you have not done so already, my recommendation would be to contact the dealer and/or distributor from whom the instrument was purchased, explain the defect, and request a replacement.

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Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano [Re: John William] #2624589
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Originally Posted by Kawai James

If you have not done so already, my recommendation would be to contact the dealer and/or distributor from whom the instrument was purchased, explain the defect, and request a replacement.

The dealer was contacted, footage was shown, they will also send the issue to Kawai.

As I said, the sound was great using a headphone. Keyboard action, while a bit soft, was still very close to the real thing, so the technology behind the ES100 is good. These were important for me when choosing a digital piano made by Kawai.

I will still consider it in the future, as the product gets more mature these initial quality related issues may be fixed.

Originally Posted by John William
the best way is first try the piano in the store

This would be ideal, however in this part of the world cultural activities like playing a piano or reading a book are not very popular (we have an entire county without a single bookstore). Instrument stores are rare, and far apart. A single dealer had the ES110 on stock in the country: the one where I bought it from and shipped it by courier service. They have no ES110 on display.

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano [Re: Kawai James] #2624875
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I ordered the ES110 yesterday, but will have to wait a while since it's out of stock.

I needed a lightweight digital piano for my home studio, to use as a controller with software AND with my Nord keyboard via MIDI, and also to carry around to periodic gigs.

I'd like to comment about standard MIDI vs USB MIDI since a few people have been unhappy that there's no direct USB connectivity on the ES110. I think Kawai made the right choice here by taking into consideration the needs of professional musicians who need a more flexible interface. And they added Bluetooth.

There's no question that standard MIDI is more flexible since it allows connecting to both MIDI peripherals, and to computers and other USB devices (by using a simple adapter).

To my knowledge, no other musical instrument company has kept standard MIDI in their current line of instruments below $1000. MIDI is a professional interface, and I think most instrument manufacturers want professional musicians to shell out more bucks for the more flexible interface. I’d like to have USB as well, but an adapter can solve that (or possibly bluetooth), but if there’s only USB there’s no easy way to get standard MIDI.

So thank you Kawai!









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Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano [Re: Kawai James] #2624879
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Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano [Re: JimK74] #2624931
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Originally Posted by JimK74


It's the other way around, if my understanding is correct. The cable you linked to works if there is MIDI only, not USB only. If there is usb only, you need one of these:

http://www.kentonuk.com/products/items/utilities/usb-host.shtml

It's much more expensive, difficult to get hold of, and I'm not certain they work in all cases.

Therefore, I believe Michael H is right: midi is probably more flexible, and also can avoid troublesome ground loop noise.


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Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano [Re: toddy] #2624960
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Kenton makes a box and iConnectivity used to make a box that converts USB to MIDI but, as toddy said, they're expensive and hard to find. They also require AC power, and as far as I know neither of them will work with USB keyboards that don't have class compliant drivers.

If someone needs standard MIDI at times, it's just not worth the trouble to go with a strictly USB keyboard.


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Ah fair enough, didn't pick up on that. Useful to know :-)

Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano [Re: Michael H] #2625037
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Originally Posted by Michael H
There's no question that standard MIDI is more flexible since it allows connecting to both MIDI peripherals, and to computers and other USB devices (by using a simple adapter).

To my knowledge, no other musical instrument company has kept standard MIDI in their current line of instruments below $1000.

The other manufacturers still have MIDI in their entry-level chipsets, but with a fixed internal connection to the built-in MIDI/USB adapter. My biggest gripe with USB is the very limited cable length (just 10-15 ft) and IN/OUT being on the same connector.

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MIDI is a professional interface, and I think most instrument manufacturers want professional musicians to shell out more bucks for the more flexible interface. I’d like to have USB as well, but an adapter can solve that (or possibly bluetooth), but if there’s only USB there’s no easy way to get standard MIDI.

In case of Kawai that would have meant going for roughly twice the instrument weight just to get serial MIDI. That's a bigger issue than just having to pay up.

Speaking of weight Kawai could use the new action to build an ES8-Compact, combining the sounds, bells and whistles of the ES8 with the weight of the ES110. How does that sound? wink


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Originally Posted by JoeT


In case of Kawai that would have meant going for roughly twice the instrument weight just to get serial MIDI. That's a bigger issue than just having to pay up.


JoeT, I'm not familiar with the terminology. If by 'serial MIDI' you mean the standard MIDI DIN interface, then the ES110 already has it, and the keyboard only weighs about 26 pounds.

Even with the nice action and sound, I wouldn't have purchased it if it hadn't had good ole' MIDI functionality smile


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Well, I had the time on Saturday to go again to the dealer and demo the ES110 for about half an hour. I got used to the action pretty fast and then I tried out some songs. The action is as heavy as the ES100, a bit lighter than Yamaha or Roland I think but I really prefer actions on the light side because it gets you more speed and less tiredness on many hours of playing as also give you more fun on fast playing such as hammond, fast strings and bass sounds.
The action is a little different but not in a way that makes any problem or any big improvement. I think it's only a matter of time to get use to it.
Considering the big plus of 3kgs lighter overall, the leslie time control which is a must, line outs, and some nice adds like effect on/off, bluetooth midi and bigger speakers, I put my ES100 on sale today.


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I have played my way through Alfred's 3 Adult Piano books, about 3/4 through Denes Agay's "Easy Classics to Moderns", and most of the way through Tim Richard's "Improvising Blues Piano", all on an old 49 key Miracle Piano purchased in 1992 mostly for my children.

Alas, the Miracle has now given up the ghost. I should have upgraded long ago and came close when the Privia PX-330 was new, but it just never happened.

Now I will buy a board and want to stay under $1000 and have narrowed the field to Yamaha DGX660 and Kawai ES110. My goal is to have fun playing music and maybe play in a seniors band in small venues that covers hits from the 50s through the 80s. But I have been just a home player until now.

I considered the Casios all the way up to the PX-560. Even though they have the ease of use touch screen, configurable sounds (560), lots of instruments, and good connectivity, the action is much noisier than Yamaha and Kawai to me. If you are a stage player it probably doesn't matter about the noise and the 560 is a lot of board for the money. But since I am a home player, if I can notice this noise in the store I am certain I will notice it much more at home.

What I like about the DGX is:
. So many sounds, most of them pretty decent
. Can play and record .wav files
. Audio input
. Multi track recorder
. Even though a lot of people are critical
of GHS action it seems fine to me.
Cons:
. Somewhat homely
. Definitely bulky

What I like about the ES110:
. I have only played the ES100 and I liked the
action, assume I would like ES110 even more.
. Kawai specializes in pianos
. Very good sounds
. Compact, easy to move
Cons:
. No USB to Device
. No LCD

I go back and forth between the DGX and the ES110 every day. Really, I'd probably be happy with either one. The DGX seems like you get a lot for the money.

So, if anyone is interested in weighing in with your thoughts on these nagging questions I have or any other observations or experiences you have I will be most grateful.

Is it wrong to think of the DGX as somewhat amateurish and the Kawai as more professional?

Can connecting the Kawai to something like Garageband provide the instruments and recording functionality of the DGX? Would the output of Garageband play back through the Kawai speakers or is necessary to connect to external speakers?

Thank you and Best to all,
Dommie

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Originally Posted by Michael H
JoeT, I'm not familiar with the terminology. If by 'serial MIDI' you mean the standard MIDI DIN interface, then the ES110 already has it, and the keyboard only weighs about 26 pounds.

Yes, I meant that, because old school MIDI is a simple serial protocol transferring data at 31,250 bits per second. The DIN 41524 connectors used for standard MIDI are simple serial ports connecting digital music instruments to each other.


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Joe T wrote:

In case of Kawai that would have meant going for roughly twice the instrument weight just to get serial MIDI. That's a bigger issue than just having to pay up.

I don't quite understand how putting DIN sockets on a piano would double it's weight. In any case, the main alternative, USB, is also serial, so i didn't quite get your point.


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Re: Kawai announces ES110 ultra-portable digital piano [Re: Dommie] #2625612
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Originally Posted by Dommie
Is it wrong to think of the DGX as somewhat amateurish and the Kawai as more professional?

That is a very subjective question, but in my opinion it is incorrect. I don't find the ES110 very professional, it looks and feels like an entry level DP (which it is).

Originally Posted by Dommie

Can connecting the Kawai to something like Garageband provide the instruments and recording functionality of the DGX? Would the output of Garageband play back through the Kawai speakers or is necessary to connect to external speakers?

You would have to use external speakers since the ES110 doesn't have Line in.

Regarding action, that's another very subjective area, but I personally much prefer the Yamaha GHS action to the ES110's RH Compact. I really love Kawai's better actions, e.g. the RHIII, but to me the RH Compact feels cheap, and it is very noisy, much noisier than GHS.

They are different type of DPs, but if you are interested in all the features of the DGX (recording, extra sounds, etc) than probably it is more suited to your needs.



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