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Themed recital for statisticians #2622168
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There is a small chance I could perform recital during a conference organized by statisticians.

I need advice on the programme that would take 20 minutes maximum? I was thinking about aleatoric music, serialism, dodecaphony,open form music. Unfortunatelly so far I have no experience in this type of performance.

Any suggestions of relatively easy pieces?

Or I should play Bach, because Bach is meta-music as statistics is meta-science, at least for some statisticians wink

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Re: Themed recital for statisticians [Re: justyna_ewa] #2622182
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I am a statistician, and I would feel completely misunderstood by someone playing aleatory music for me, since I am not a probabilist. Aleatory modelisation is the exact opposite of statistical thinking, which to sum up would be that the world is predictable except for a small margin of error.

If you really want to play music related to statistics, you should play something composed with a machine learning algorithm, and it should sound as consonant as possible, so as to show the accuracy with which the algorithm understood the basic principles of harmony. The best you could do is playing a Mozart's (or another well known composer) piece and then play a piece composed by an algorithm which learned to compose with Mozart's music. I know that there are many people working on such things, but I don't know where you could find scores of this kind, and though I have ideas about how I would conceive such a thing, it is way too complicated to start from scratch and build for you a program that would do that.

You could otherwise play scores you enjoy regardless of statistics.

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Playing something by machine learning algorithms is a cool idea, I'll give it a +1.


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If you can handle the enormous difficulties, Xenakis might fit the bill, I think.


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Re: Themed recital for statisticians [Re: justyna_ewa] #2622276
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Play something that sounds nice.


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Re: Themed recital for statisticians [Re: justyna_ewa] #2622439
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Originally Posted by justyna_ewa
There is a small chance I could perform recital during a conference organized by statisticians.

I need advice on the programme that would take 20 minutes maximum? I was thinking about aleatoric music, serialism, dodecaphony,open form music.[...]


Why are you making the assumption that statisticians might prefer aleatoric music, serialism, or dedecaphony rather than conventional music? Does your recital music have to relate directly to statistics or some statistical theme of the conference? If not, why not assume that statisticians are somewhat "normal"* people and that they might like - or even prefer - conventional, traditional music?

* I don't know any statisticians; I want to give them the "benefit of the doubt" until proven otherwise. smile

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Re: Themed recital for statisticians [Re: justyna_ewa] #2622447
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BruceD, it was just an idea to justify my being there. Maybe I make wrong assumption that most of them are even not interested in "serious" music; as we call classical music in my language. Maybe referencing to their field could attract their attention - especially if I complement music with a power point presentation smile. I am not sure. Or it would make them run away. Conventional pieces are safer option for sure.



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Originally Posted by mrenaud
If you can handle the enormous difficulties, Xenakis might fit the bill, I think.


That's the composer whose music I thought of as being related to statistics, too (but much too difficult). Nancarrow's player piano works seem well-suited, too, but they aren't for a human pianist.

On the other hand, maybe some music that just seems to be a bit process-determined and "mathy" on the surface, without being too hardcore about it, would work. Maybe something minimalist, like Adams' "China Gates". Or Glass' "Etudes". Or post-minimalist, like Duckworth's "Time Curve Preludes". Some of these aren't too horribly difficult.

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Originally Posted by PrestoConFuocco
Playing something by machine learning algorithms is a cool idea, I'll give it a +1.


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Re: Themed recital for statisticians [Re: justyna_ewa] #2622457
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Were any composers known to be liars?

Re: Themed recital for statisticians [Re: justyna_ewa] #2622554
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I just found scientifc paper on machine learning alghoritms in music. If I had seven or nine lives to live like cats...

Wr, I will check minimalists. I looked into the scores of Xanakis - to play him I would have to quit my current job and take a year off from life. Or more... how people approach this kind of polyrythm while preparing a piece?

Damon, what do you mean by liars?

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Re: Themed recital for statisticians [Re: justyna_ewa] #2623446
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I am not a statistician, but I do work with stats and also machine learning (and also linguistics). A few years ago, at our professional conference, we had a fun keynote speaker, David Temperley of Eastman School of Music. Here is a link to his slides http://naaclhlt2010.isi.edu/docs/temperley-keynote.pptx

Granted, he mostly talked and only played a short excerpt (from Schumann's Papillons), so perhaps not directly relevant to your question. Nonetheless, it was a really fascinating presentation, and I thought it was well received by the audience (most of whom are presumably not musicians).

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Re: Themed recital for statisticians [Re: justyna_ewa] #2623788
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MegumiNoda, thank you for sharing this presentation. "(...)more rubato when tension is higher" - that is actually true also at the body level smile


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