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Re: Difficulty rating of these pieces [Re: Franz Beebert] #2616889
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Is jardins sous la pluie easier than reflets dans l'eau?

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Re: Difficulty rating of these pieces [Re: Franz Beebert] #2616907
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Originally Posted by Franz Beebert
Is jardins sous la pluie easier than reflets dans l'eau?


Yes and no.

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In what way yes and what way no?

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Originally Posted by Franz Beebert
Is jardins sous la pluie easier than reflets dans l'eau?
Once again, it depends on the musical maturity and technical strengths/weaknesses of the individual pianist.

Enough already.

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Re: Difficulty rating of these pieces [Re: Franz Beebert] #2617012
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You explained earlier that you want someone to rank those pieces just for "fun". (Not sure what kind of fun that would offer, though.)

Now, you are asking "Is Jardins sous la pluie easier than Reflets dans l'eau"... ???

It seems like you just wanted to get a ranking after all, not for fun, and not care about the fact that nobody's list would fit you.

That's just stupid and highly immature. This is a forum for serious pianists, and frankly, nobody here wants to waste his time compiling a 100% subjective difficulty ranking of a bunch of pieces so close to each other in difficulty that ranking them is absolutely pointless.

heck, I can't even decide whether Jardins or Reflets is more difficult for myself to play. I'd be hard pressed to give an answer. And if I did, it would be extremely ignorant to think that you would find it to be the same way for yourself.

I hope I finally made this matter clear for you.

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difficulty = f{tonality, harmony, texture, form, tempo, articulation, ornamentation, technical formulas (octaves, double notes, scales, arrpeggios, jumps, wide chords, fast chords, repeated notes}/per bar, notation)/technical skills*musicality*maturity
Variables are in random order.


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Re: Difficulty rating of these pieces [Re: Franz Beebert] #2617028
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C'mon, youse guys. Rating difficulty is obviously subjective, and depends on the various skills of the player. No two people will agree. But it's useful in guiding which piece to learn next. Some of you advanced players should learn to play some Marcel Dupre works for organ. See if it's harder than chopsticks.

Re: Difficulty rating of these pieces [Re: Franz Beebert] #2617029
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Hey....
I don't think we need the insults.
But it might help to say this (not that I'm expecting this will do it either):

Franz, you don't seem to be getting it.
What people are saying is that it just isn't possible to give meaningful answers -- not possible.

It's not just that different people have different opinions. It's that all these pieces are in a similar range of difficulty.

If you asked which is harder, Fur Elise or the Waldstein Sonata, we could answer that. But the pieces you're asking about aren't like that.

Franz, it just isn't possible to give meaningful answers to what you're asking.

Re: Difficulty rating of these pieces [Re: NervousWreck123] #2617067
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Originally Posted by Svenno
Haha, I loved that clip

Our own Polyphonist's latest masterpiece in the composer's forum - "A motorist chasing a rabbit down the street at high speed": P=0; S=0

I couldn't stop laughing as I listened to this... That should factor into the S IMO grin

Re: Difficulty rating of these pieces [Re: Franz Beebert] #2617069
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If it's not graded already by Henle http://www.henleusa.com/en/the-publishing-house/levels-of-difficulty-piano.html , then I wouldn't know!


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Re: Difficulty rating of these pieces [Re: sumpianodude] #2617127
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Originally Posted by sumpianodude
Originally Posted by Svenno
Haha, I loved that clip

Our own Polyphonist's latest masterpiece in the composer's forum - "A motorist chasing a rabbit down the street at high speed": P=0; S=0

I couldn't stop laughing as I listened to this... That should factor into the S IMO grin

The real question is whether it is more or less difficult than Jardins Sous La Pluie (Debussy).


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Re: Difficulty rating of these pieces [Re: Polyphonist] #2617131
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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
The real question is whether it is more or less difficult than Jardins Sous La Pluie (Debussy).

One thing for sure: Pronouncing the names of the pieces is harder than playing them. grin

Re: Difficulty rating of these pieces [Re: Franz Beebert] #2617173
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Well... I Guess I Will not get any answers

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Yes, because you asked an unanswerable question, for christ's sake.

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Originally Posted by Franz Beebert
Well... I Guess I Will not get any answers


If you are looking for what to learn next.... ASK YOUR TEACHER
If two pieces are rated approximately the same, your teacher will be able to tell you which one fits your skills. A forum cannot do that.

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I am not looking for what to play next I just want to know you opinions.

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Reread the posts above by everyone, who clearly stated that Jardins and Reflets are SO SIMILAR IN DIFFICULTY that THEY CAN'T BE RANKED.

Learn the difference:

Scarbo is more difficult than Jeux d'eau

Prokofiev's 2nd piano concerto is more difficult than his 3rd

Beethoven's Hammerklavier sonata is more difficult than the Appassionata

Schumann's toccata is more difficult than Debussy's toccata

Liszt's hungarian rhapsody no. 12 is more difficult than no. 3

BUT

Rachmaninov's 3rd concerto is AS difficult as Prokofiev's 2nd

Bach's Goldberg variations are AS difficult as Beethoven's Diabelli variations

Rachmaninov's etude op. 39 no. 5 is AS difficult as op. 39 no. 6

And indeed,

Jardins sous la pluie is AS difficult as Reflets dans l'eau.

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Originally Posted by Franz Beebert
I am not looking for what to play next I just want to know you opinions.


The unanswered question is: Why?


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Franz: You sure you're not just ****ing with us? grin

(I really have to wonder.)

Re: Difficulty rating of these pieces [Re: Mark_C] #2617273
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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Franz: You sure you're not just ****ing with us? grin

(I really have to wonder.)
No. I really Wished someone could have given his or her opinion on the difficulty of the mentioned pieces. I think not that someone can clame they are all the same difficulty. For example, I guess most would say that the third ballade is hardet than op 48 1. I just asked because I wondered.

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