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Difficulty rating of these pieces #2615423
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Hi everyone! How would you rate the following pieces from easiest to hardest? And how would you rate them in preference, from the piece you like the most to the least? Here are the pieces:

Jardins Sous La Pluie (Debussy)
Pagodes (Debussy)
Reflets dans l'eau (Debussy)
Barcarolle (Chopin)
Scherzo no 1 Op 20 (Chopin)
Ballade no 3 Op 47 (Chopin)
Nocturne Op 48 1 (Chopin)
Sonata No 17 Op 31 2 (Beethoven)
Beethoven No 16 Op 31 1 (Beethoven)
Sonata No 27 Op 90 (Beethoven)
Sonata D 794 (Schubert)


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Re: Difficulty rating of these pieces [Re: Franz Beebert] #2615462
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There are no easy pieces in this list, and they all have different difficulties. Moreover, one particular technical difficulty may not be as difficult for some as it is for others. As for interpretive difficulties, that would depend upon an individual's experience with the composers in question.

If anyone even takes the trouble to try to rate these pieces, you'll get as many different answers as you will responders, so what is the point, may I ask?

Furthermore, you already asked this question two days ago.

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The difficulty of each work depends on how well you want to play it.

Re: Difficulty rating of these pieces [Re: Franz Beebert] #2615494
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Ya, I agree with Bruce, especially on the interpretive challenges and "knowing the composers".

Once you get to that level, "difficulty" is completely moot because what you might find easy, I may find difficult, and what I may find a breeze, you may struggle with, and around and around in circles we go.

Is this the piano version of comparing processors and motherboards a la "will my [unnecessarily high specs] run this PC game [from two years ago]?"



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Re: Difficulty rating of these pieces [Re: Franz Beebert] #2615497
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Except for maybe the first two listed and possibly the Op.90 Sonata, these are all major works that require the highest level of virtuosity and musicianship. So anyone considering the study of these pieces should be able to judge how difficult they would personally find them. My guess is that in any listing of works and their difficulty, these pieces are all very close in terms of difficulty.

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Originally Posted by Franz Beebert
Hi everyone! How would you rate the following pieces from easiest to hardest? And how would you rate them in preference, from the piece you like the most to the least?

Seriously - just download the whole lot from IMSLP and read through them yourself (assuming you already have the skills to do so - if you haven't, they're all too difficult for you).

That's what I used to do as a student - except that I had to borrow volumes of the stuff from my high school music library, because the www wasn't even a glimmer in anyone's brain cell then (not even Sir Tim's). Now, I have all the volumes (because I can afford to buy them), and just play through them whenever I feel like it.

But if you really want to know, IMO, the easiest piece on the list is by Freddy. The hardest piece is......also by Freddy wink .

Ditto for the pieces I like most & least. grin


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Re: Difficulty rating of these pieces [Re: Franz Beebert] #2615513
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Is the Op 90 sonata and the first two pieces listed by Debussy the easiest? Or the Op 48 no 1 by Chopin? Are all pieces pretty comparable in difficulty?

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Funnily, I keep misreading the title as "Difficulty of rating these pieces."
And actually I think that's better. grin

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Funnily, I keep misreading the title as "Difficulty of rating these pieces."
And actually I think that's better. grin

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Originally Posted by Franz Beebert
Is the Op 90 sonata and the first two pieces listed by Debussy the easiest? Or the Op 48 no 1 by Chopin? Are all pieces pretty comparable in difficulty?



Haven't you already asked this in a different way?
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Originally Posted by Franz Beebert
Is the Op 90 sonata and the first two pieces listed by Debussy the easiest? Or the Op 48 no 1 by Chopin? Are all pieces pretty comparable in difficulty?
Easy and/or difficult for who? Take a stab at all of them and decide for yourself. grin


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Re: Difficulty rating of these pieces [Re: Franz Beebert] #2615729
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Originally Posted by Franz Beebert
Hi everyone! How would you rate the following pieces from easiest to hardest? And how would you rate them in preference, from the piece you like the most to the least? Here are the pieces:

Jardins Sous La Pluie (Debussy)
Pagodes (Debussy)
Reflets dans l'eau (Debussy)
Barcarolle (Chopin)
Scherzo no 1 Op 20 (Chopin)
Ballade no 3 Op 47 (Chopin)
Nocturne Op 48 1 (Chopin)
Sonata No 17 Op 31 2 (Beethoven)
Beethoven No 16 Op 31 1 (Beethoven)
Sonata No 27 Op 90 (Beethoven)
Sonata D 794 (Schubert)



They are all hard.
Op 31 no 2 (Beethoven) is best
Barcarolle (Chopin) is worst by far
Everything else is good.

Re: Difficulty rating of these pieces [Re: Damon] #2615732
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Originally Posted by Damon

They are all hard.
Op 31 no 2 (Beethoven) is best
Barcarolle (Chopin) is worst by far
Everything else is good.

ha ha ha ha ha ha



Great post.
Oh -- there's one mistake there. What you meant was Barcarolle is the #1 piece of all time.

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Originally Posted by Damon

They are all hard.
Op 31 no 2 (Beethoven) is best
Barcarolle (Chopin) is worst by far
Everything else is good.

ha ha ha ha ha ha



Great post.
Oh -- there's one mistake there. What you meant was Barcarolle is the #1 piece of all time.


No mistake. Terrible piece from the very start. When I rip a new Chopin CD, I uncheck that piece if it exists. God-awful, wretched piece. I can say without hyperbole that it is a million times worse than any other Chopin piece, including Op 17 no 4, which is many thousands times worse than any other Mazurka.

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I can't stand the Barcarolle myself.

By that bach guy. Very Offen.


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Is pagodes and jardins easier than refletsdans leau and the mentioned Beethoven sonatas?

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Originally Posted by Franz Beebert
Is pagodes and jardins easier than refletsdans leau and the mentioned Beethoven sonatas?

I'm currently in the process of compiling a list of the entire piano repertoire in exact order of difficulty so you won't have to ask any more of these questions. I'll notify you when the list is complete.


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The repertoire I listed?

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Originally Posted by Franz Beebert
The repertoire I listed?

As a general rule of thumb, anything with water implied in its title tends to be either easy or hard. There's no middle way.

That's just the way water tends to be. Solid, liquid or gas. No semi-solid or semi-liquid.


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So jardins is easy but reflets difficult?

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Originally Posted by Franz Beebert
So jardins is easy but reflets difficult?

Or vice versa.


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But why can't someone just rank them?

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"The hardest technique is the one you don't know how to play." So if you don't know how to play repeated notes, but can play fast scales, then the piece with repeated notes will be hard for you. Alternately, if you don't know how to play fast scales, but know how to play repeated notes, then that will be easy.

Some things are easier than others, but a lot depends on your background.


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Originally Posted by Franz Beebert
But why can't someone just rank them?


I can, but you won't agree.

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Please rank them

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Originally Posted by Franz Beebert
Please rank them


As much time as you have wasted asking this question--- over,and over,and over again....

YOU COULD HAVE ASkED YOUR TEACHER. Then you would not get a 'one size fits all answer' but the answer that fits you.

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Sonata No 17 Op 31 2 (Beethoven)
Barcarolle (Chopin)
Scherzo no 1 Op 20 (Chopin)
Ballade no 3 Op 47 (Chopin)
Sonata No 27 Op 90 (Beethoven)
Beethoven No 16 Op 31 1 (Beethoven)
Reflets dans l'eau (Debussy)
Nocturne Op 48 1 (Chopin)
Jardins Sous La Pluie (Debussy)
Pagodes (Debussy)

???
Sonata D 794 (Schubert)

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So Op 31 2 is the hardest?

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