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I wish there was company selling digital pianos in kits, parts to assemble. You watch the videos step by step guide, you assemble everything, you replace broken parts whenever you want etc. The alignement is not perfect? No problem, is your fault in assembling the kit. I am sure there are lots of people (including me) who would buy such kits, because they love DIY. And the potential market for these kits would be huge. Well, a lot of us already do this to some degree with the assembled DPs we buy Every single DP I've owned has been taken apart at some point (either for curiosity, education to diagnose/fix minor issues, etc.). And replacement parts tend to be readily available, so I guess nothing is stopping you from doing exactly this!
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I wish there was company selling digital pianos in kits, parts to assemble. You watch the videos step by step guide, you assemble everything, you replace broken parts whenever you want etc. The alignement is not perfect? No problem, is your fault in assembling the kit. I am sure there are lots of people (including me) who would buy such kits, because they love DIY. And the potential market for these kits would be huge. Well, a lot of us already do this to some degree with the assembled DPs we buy Every single DP I've owned has been taken apart at some point (either for curiosity, education to diagnose/fix minor issues, etc.). And replacement parts tend to be readily available, so I guess nothing is stopping you from doing exactly this! really? I can't believe it? Are you serious? Where can I buy the single parts? And there are videos, step by step guide on how to do that?
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really? I can't believe it? Are you serious? Where can I buy the single parts? And there are videos, step by step guide on how to do that? Sorry, there are no Ikea-like kits that I'm aware of. It sounded like you were handy and able to tinker with electronics/mechanical parts so I was throwing out an option. It takes some elbow grease but you can source replacement keys, hammer actions, PCBs, chassis pieces etc. from manufacturers or service centers. So I don't know if you can completely build a DP from scratch (and how much more than would cost than just buying the thing outright) but if you want to take things apart, perform your own modifications and repairs, etc., there are absolutely avenues available for the adventurous to do just that.
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really? I can't believe it? Are you serious? Where can I buy the single parts? And there are videos, step by step guide on how to do that? Sorry, there are no Ikea-like kits that I'm aware of. It sounded like you were handy and able to tinker with electronics/mechanical parts so I was throwing out an option. It takes some elbow grease but you can source replacement keys, hammer actions, PCBs, chassis pieces etc. from manufacturers or service centers. So I don't know if you can completely build a DP from scratch (and how much more than would cost than just buying the thing outright) but if you want to take things apart, perform your own modifications and repairs, etc., there are absolutely avenues available for the adventurous to do just that. I have never made any piano. But I made already 3 violins, 1 guitar, just by following books and web advise. I made my own computer. For these things you find plenty of step by step guides, but for a digital piano, I never seen anything like that. Of course if you like DIY, you take full responsibility, and you are willing to learn. When I made my first 2 violns, they didn't come up perfect, but my third violin, wow, every detail is just perfect, just the way I planned it, a perfect Stradivari copy
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I have never made any piano. But I made already 3 violins, 1 guitar, just by following books and web advise. I made my own computer. For these things you find plenty of step by step guides, but for a digital piano, I never seen anything like that. Of course if you like DIY, you take full responsibility, and you are willing to learn. When I made my first 2 violns, they didn't come up perfect, but my third violin, wow, every detail is just perfect, just the way I planned it, a perfect Stradivari copy I had no idea there were make-your-own-violin kits. That's pretty cool indeed! I tried 3D printing a violin before, that project didn't turn out very well And I used to build custom water-cooled gaming PCs; from an assembly perspective most DPs are pretty straightforward (about the only thing you can mess up is order of operations). In any case, back to the ES110, hopefully OP gets a pristine replacement unit. This is pretty much the reason I try not to buy anything in the first year of release, no matter how much I trust the manufacturer.
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I made the violins from scratch, no kits at all. I order the best spruce and maple wood from Ciresa, in Val Di Fiemme (alps). Assembling the computer in comparison was a joke
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Great, it's going to be an open source project, I am sure there will be lot of interest about this. But in the meantime, what can DIYers do? Let's say that I want to buy the parts to build a VPC1, where do I find them?
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I don't believe Kawai would sell you the parts. And if it was the case, I guess that final price would be quite high...
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DIY pianos are nice but let's keep that for a new topic and continue about the new ES110 Mine will probably arrive tomorrow, I will keep everybody updated about any issues.
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Hi Folks, Any idea how long will it take to launch this Model in India, Sadly there is only 1 distributor in India who are selling the kawai Brand.
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Hello smartydarren, Kawai instruments are distributed throughout India by 'Theme Music': THEME MUSIC CO. PVT. LTD.S-33, Greater Kailash-I, New Delhi 110048, India Tel: +91-11-29234415 URL: http://thememusic.in My recommendation would be to contact the distributor directly to enquire about ES110 availability. Alternatively, you may also wish to contact Kawai Japan directly via the enquiry form accessible from the URL below: http://www.kawai-global.com/support/I hope this helps. Kind regards, James x
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Hello, I am a new piano player with only 2 months piano lessons. I ordered mine 15 days before and yesterday it came. I was very disappointed because it came with a broken key and a sound inside when I move it, like a part is broken and slide from left to right! Very disappointed. Not with Kawai but with the postal office and delivery. I believe that I will not have any problem returning and geting a new one, except the time suffering!! I tested and I'm very happy with the sound and the action. I am not very experienced with other piano actions, but I liked the sound of ES110 compared with the FP30 (2nd choice). I noticed one thing that have been pointed to a previous post, and is the same with mine, is that the keys are not perfectly separated. Is this something that it's a problem in practise, or just a aesthetic thing? When I will find time, I will post pictures and more info about my experience.
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Mine was delivered too today, but I haven't seen it yet cause I'm still at work. I hope I won't get a heart attack when I open the box
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Ok, I'm still alive! Came home, saw the big box... (pfew! It didn't look damaged on the outside!) very gently opened the box. Put it on the table, removed the white foam/plastic and inspected everything. I must say, my piano does not have "excessive" weird gaps, (not in a way that triggers my ocd like earlier videos), nor keys that make funny noises and, at first try, all keys seem to work perfect. Then I connected my headphone and noticed a very slight buzz, I'm not sure that's 100% normal (it didn't go louder or quieter when I turned the volume up and dow) but I can live with that. My headphone is a 70ohm closed HD25 (probably the opposite of a traditional piano-headphone so I'm sure I won't hear any of that on a open HD558 for example.) Tomorrow I will inspect further in "daylight" and continue my experiences with you I also tried to connect with bluetooth on my Android. Confirmed working on a Samsung Tab S2. (But did not find any app yet that uses bluetooth midi)
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Congratulations on your new ES110 Gray44. Hope you have got yourself a good one. It sounds promising so far. Keep us posted with your findings once you have had a good inspection and play on it.
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Then I connected my headphone and noticed a very slight buzz, I'm not sure that's 100% normal (it didn't go louder or quieter when I turned the volume up and dow) I have no buzz at all on my ES110. The most common cause would be a ground loop. You can test this inexpensively with a "cheater plug" that allows a 3 prong plug to drop the ground plug like this: http://www.amzn.com/B01M0D7DVZ but I wouldn't use that as a permanent solution, just to see if you're getting a ground loop. If you are, you want to isolate the plug with something like https://www.amzn.com/B0002E4YI8If the cheater plug doesn't work and you still get hum, then it could be a problem with a transformer in the keyboard and you'd want to talk to Kawai.
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Hello takkiz, welcome to the forum. I was very disappointed because it came with a broken key and a sound inside when I move it, like a part is broken and slide from left to right! Very disappointed. Not with Kawai but with the postal office and delivery. I believe that I will not have any problem returning and geting a new one, except the time suffering!! Sorry to hear that your ES110 may have been damaged in shipping. May I ask where you are based? Did the instrument have to travel a long distance? I hope your replacement arrives in good condition. Kind regards, James x
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Hello Gray44, Thank you for the update - I'm glad to read that your ES110 arrived in one piece. I also tried to connect with bluetooth on my Android. Confirmed working on a Samsung Tab S2. (But did not find any app yet that uses bluetooth midi) Thank you for confirming this point. I was confident that Bluetooth connectivity would work, however as you note, the selection of MIDI apps available on Android is rather limited. Kind regards, James x
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The most common cause would be a ground loop. You can test this inexpensively with a "cheater plug" that allows a 3 prong plug to drop the ground plug like this: http://www.amzn.com/B01M0D7DVZ but I wouldn't use that as a permanent solution, just to see if you're getting a ground loop. If you are, you want to isolate the plug with something like https://www.amzn.com/B0002E4YI8I don't have any experience with this kind of adaptor, but they may be worth trying, depending on the kind of buzz/hum, and its audibility. If the cheater plug doesn't work and you still get hum, then it could be a problem with a transformer in the keyboard and you'd want to talk to Kawai. I don't believe there is a transformer inside the ES110, as the instrument is powered using a universal AC adaptor. Kind regards, James x
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