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Re: Humidity Level During Winter: What's Healthy for Piano Vs What's Healthy For You #261235
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From the website for the Humidity Regulator:

"Item Description:

Luftfeuchtigkeitsregler / Humidity regulator for Piano wing + 1 m long with bracket

In dry air: Just in the bathtub with water and put vollsaugen.
When moist air: The air humidity regulator, the excess humidity, and when they fall there. This instrument is in a uniform climate. "

I think it lost a little in the translation.

This does look like the device I had seen a few years ago on the web.

Thanks for the links.

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Re: Humidity Level During Winter: What's Healthy for Piano Vs What's Healthy For You #261236
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Thanks, Jeanne!

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Re: Humidity Level During Winter: What's Healthy for Piano Vs What's Healthy For You #261237
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Mario, I am interested in your idea of a light under the piano to reduce the humidity. But I am not familiar with the Quebec climate. How high would the humidity in your room typically be in the summer, if you did not use the light?
100%

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I would like to throw another thought into this thread. My technician told me on his last visit that older pianos appreciate a higher humidity, as would have been common in houses before the advent of central heating. The wood, he said, was dried to a lesser extent than it is now. He told me that 55% was a good figure to aim for.

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55% seems way too high to me. For humans.

In our old house, that is healthily not 100% airtight, I'm thinking we'd have lots of condensation on woodwork, walls, etc. if the humidity was at 55% during the winter.

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Re: Humidity Level During Winter: What's Healthy for Piano Vs What's Healthy For You #261240
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Jeanne, the brand name of the humidity regulator ( I use that term somewhat loosely) rod is Hydroceel. (Google it)

There is a smilar product in the US:

http://www.musicsorbonline.com/

Re: Humidity Level During Winter: What's Healthy for Piano Vs What's Healthy For You #261241
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Three points I've picked up on...

1) I know that I have been one who has refered to Desert Spring humidifiers - I have two attached to the furnace that heats the lower half of the house. They do moderately well in dry Denver, but it's an uphill battle. They only add moisture while the furnace fan runs. I've considered the much more expensive steam unit, but haven't jumped yet.

2) Speaking of furnace fans - Skyblanche - typically the furnace fan does not draw in outside air, but rather recirculates inside air. Outside air is drawn into the burner, used for combustion, and sent back out the chimney. Were that air going into the house, you'd asphyxiate everyone with carbon monoxide. [edit: Some of that outside air naturally circulates into the house, but not much.]

3) Mario - the 40w light is doing the very same thing (at about the same wattage!) as the heater bars on a Dampp Chaser system. Raising the temperature lowers relative humidity. That's half of the DC system, the other half being the humidifying part that some of us need in other regions!


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Re: Humidity Level During Winter: What's Healthy for Piano Vs What's Healthy For You #261242
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Bob,

Things are pretty dry here as well in the winter even though my home is only a couple of hundred feet from Lake Michigan which has always surprised me. Without any conditioning, my RH drops into the very high teens or low twenties on very cold days.

In our area, building code requires that forced air systems bring in some amount of fresh air from the outside over and above the combustion air. This has presented challenges to maintaining the 43-45% which I work towards. I have found that my whole house humdifier (an Aprilaire unit) used in conjuntion with a Venta airwasher (the big one), does the trick.

I believe that furnace humidifiers are normally wired to run only when the system is demanding heat. It is possible to wire them such that they will operate whenever just the fan operates. This way, the fan can be set to "ON" all the time or even (on Honeywell models) a RECIRC position. My son set this up in his house and it works great.

Just me 2 cents.

Gene


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Re: Humidity Level During Winter: What's Healthy for Piano Vs What's Healthy For You #261243
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Right you are, Gene. My furnace area is designed to draw some outside air too (the draft created by the furnace burner draws air into the furnace room from outside, and some of that air can move about elsewhere). But it's still true that the bulk of what the furnace fan is doing is recirculation. I'm sure an HVAC guy would have the figures, but my little engineering mind would estimate the outside air contribution to be in the low single digit percentage.

The furance units that I've owned in three houses are all wired to run whenever the fan runs, so a couple of minutes lagging the call for heat. Since they are evaporative, they'd be pretty ineffective when the fan is still.

On the other hand, the steam boiler units are designed to control the fan regardless of the furnace heat demand, so that a humidity deficit is continually addressed. However the unit costs several hundred dollars, and the boiler plus added fan time would bloat the electric bill. For now, my furnace units, combined with the Dampp Chaser, are satisfactory.


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Re: Humidity Level During Winter: What's Healthy for Piano Vs What's Healthy For You #261244
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Steinway recommends 45-65%. I keep 50-55% in the winter and attempt to stay below 60% in summer. I beleive this level of humidity is healthier than the dryness of below 40%RH. BTW I have a sears room humidifier and my piano room is closed off. I need this unit that is rated for 300 sq ft to run 24/7 in winter to maintain 50% RH.

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typo thats 3000 Sq ft.

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