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Purchase Dilemma: Yamaha P-115 vs ROLAND FP-30 #2505678
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Hi guys,

I am an adult beginner piano player. I used to own a Casio PX-350 Privia but after 2 years I had to sell it because the left hand keys were still too heavy for me.

In order to purchase a new DP I came down to these 2 options: Yamaha P-115 vs ROLAND FP-30.

The Roland is not yet on the market but the previous version seems nice.

Which keyboard between these 2 has heavier action and which one would you recommend?
Also do you know anything about their iOS apps? I am interested in the one better for learning studying.

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Re: Purchase Dilemma: Yamaha P-115 vs ROLAND FP-30 [Re: DanKeys] #2505686
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DanKeys,
Do you have a teacher? If you struggled with the weight of the keys it might be because your technique is flawed. It's not clear what you mean by "too heavy for me" but if it was causing you pain or some other physical problem that arises from bad technique changing to a lighter action won't help you unless the technique is corrected. A good teacher can help you with that.

With that being said, I myself prefer a lighter action so I recognize that your comments might simply indicate a preference (and no insult is intended). If that's the case, I'd say that since your main complaint was with the action of the PX-350 you would be best to rely on actually playing the boards rather than relying on second hand accounts. There's more to the feel of a keyboard than just the weight of the keys. For example, to me how soft (or hard) the keys hit bottom is much more important to how comfortable an action feels to me. If possible to find places with these models available on the floor, testing them yourself is the best approach.


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Re: Purchase Dilemma: Yamaha P-115 vs ROLAND FP-30 [Re: DanKeys] #2505757
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The roland FP30 has a heavier action than the Yamaha P115 and even the Casio. So if you find the PX-350 action too heavy, definitely go for the Yamaha.

Re: Purchase Dilemma: Yamaha P-115 vs ROLAND FP-30 [Re: DanKeys] #2505770
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The Yamaha does have light keyboard, but the black keys can also be heavy if you play into them.

Might be fine for you, however. I ilked that keyboard type a lot for general playing.


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Re: Purchase Dilemma: Yamaha P-115 vs ROLAND FP-30 [Re: DanKeys] #2505778
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I am an adult beginner piano player. I used to own a Casio PX-350 Privia but after 2 years I had to sell it because the left hand keys were still too heavy for me.


Something is very wrong, here. Either you have an injury, or your technique needs to be adjusted. "Adjusted" means working with a teacher who knows what he/she is doing.

The PX-350 action is more-or-less as heavy as an acoustic piano. I suspect the FP-30 action is similarly weighted, but I haven't played one.

The P115 (Yamaha GHS action) is lighter than the PX-350, for sure.

If your left hand is really weak, you might be better off with a touch-sensitive, synth-style action -- no weights, just light springs. It's not as nice to play as a weighted action (IMHO), and it doesn't give you as much control over dynamics (IMHO), but you _can_ make music on it.

. . . What music are you playing?

. . . What are your symptoms?

. . . Have you had any lessons, or talked with anyone about _why_ your left hand is
. . . complaining ?



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Re: Purchase Dilemma: Yamaha P-115 vs ROLAND FP-30 [Re: DanKeys] #2505912
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fizikisto, xadmin, peterws and Charles Cohen,

Thank you so much for your feedback!

Yes, I took lessons with a teacher for a short time and the octaves I did with my left hand were executed fine at that time.
It's just that I could never get over the heavy action of the Casio Privia on the lower octaves. At the same time I am aware of the synth-style light action keyboards but for me they don't feel right either. smile

I like to play piano to accompany my voice along with the tunes of artists like The Beatles.

I tested in store the Yamaha P-115 and it felt nice but with the launch of ROLAND FP-30 I wanted to make sure I make the best decision.

In conclusion, overall the impression is that Yamaha has lighter keys than Roland?

Thank you.


Re: Purchase Dilemma: Yamaha P-115 vs ROLAND FP-30 [Re: DanKeys] #2505974
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Originally Posted by DanKeys
fizikisto, xadmin, peterws and Charles Cohen,

Thank you so much for your feedback!

Yes, I took lessons with a teacher for a short time and the octaves I did with my left hand were executed fine at that time.
It's just that I could never get over the heavy action of the Casio Privia on the lower octaves. At the same time I am aware of the synth-style light action keyboards but for me they don't feel right either. smile

I like to play piano to accompany my voice along with the tunes of artists like The Beatles.

I tested in store the Yamaha P-115 and it felt nice but with the launch of ROLAND FP-30 I wanted to make sure I make the best decision.

In conclusion, overall the impression is that Yamaha has lighter keys than Roland?

Thank you.



Yes, it does. Youtube vids will give some idea to compare these. There are others in this price bracket. Kawai ES100 I think. Korg do one too, look out for them. Always best to try out first, pref. wi headphones too. Use your own.


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Re: Purchase Dilemma: Yamaha P-115 vs ROLAND FP-30 [Re: DanKeys] #2505995
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Also keep in mind "graded" weight. Heavier touch on the low keys and lighter touch on the high keys emulating a real acoustic piano. Not sure FP-30's PH4 Standard is graded like Yamaha's GHS. Maybe not a big deal at this level, but some are sticklers about graded weight action.


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Re: Purchase Dilemma: Yamaha P-115 vs ROLAND FP-30 [Re: Marko in Boston] #2506109
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Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
Not sure FP-30's PH4 Standard is graded like Yamaha's GHS


PHA4 Standard is graded.

Re: Purchase Dilemma: Yamaha P-115 vs ROLAND FP-30 [Re: Garf] #2506378
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Hi, i think that PHA4 Standard is more comparable with Yamaha GH3x key action.

Re: Purchase Dilemma: Yamaha P-115 vs ROLAND FP-30 [Re: Garf] #2506389
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Originally Posted by Garf
Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
Not sure FP-30's PH4 Standard is graded like Yamaha's GHS


PHA4 Standard is graded.


Confirmed on that. Definitely graded. Ivory Feel and Escapement too.


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Re: Purchase Dilemma: Yamaha P-115 vs ROLAND FP-30 [Re: JayGVan] #2506436
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Hey guys,

Thank you for your insight.

I have ordered the Yamaha P-115.

Looking forward to it.

Re: Purchase Dilemma: Yamaha P-115 vs ROLAND FP-30 [Re: DanKeys] #2506465
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Enjoy the P115, it is an excellent keyboard

Re: Purchase Dilemma: Yamaha P-115 vs ROLAND FP-30 [Re: DanKeys] #2506466
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DanKeys,
congratulations! I hope that it brings you many years of enjoyment smile


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Re: Purchase Dilemma: Yamaha P-115 vs ROLAND FP-30 [Re: fizikisto] #2506508
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xadmin and fizikisto,

Thank you for your good thoughts!


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Hi friend, congratulations and i hope you enjoy a lot your P115. Have you tried before your purchase the new Roland FP30 and Kawai ES100?. Have a nice day!.

Re: Purchase Dilemma: Yamaha P-115 vs ROLAND FP-30 [Re: DanKeys] #2510291
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I think you'll be very happy with the Yamaha p-115. I'm currently renting one and it is pretty satisfying. This morning I tried out the new Roland FP-30 which has just shipped to some stores across Canada.

The Roland was good but I found the action a bit 'flabby'. The keys felt more wobbly than you'd find in a modern acoustic upright. Some say the Yamaha's have a lighter touch but I thought they were about the same.

As an advanced classical player who learned on an acoustic, digital keyboards tend to be a little too light, if anything. As a beginner, 'too heavy' is just one of the annoying early hurdles that you'll have to overcome. Mostly, it's because you aren't able to use your hands optimally yet. But hang in there: finger and hand strength increases with practise (and greater control requires less strength). It is totally normal for your non-dominant hand to feel kind of flaky and tired at first.

Still, learning should be fun and there should be no physical pain (talk to your teacher if so). You may never want to play an acoustic piano. No problem. You can play lighter keyboards. You can play synths. Lots of great times and great music is made both ways.

Enjoy your P-115. You'll have a great time!


Re: Purchase Dilemma: Yamaha P-115 vs ROLAND FP-30 [Re: DanKeys] #2527071
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I don't know if you bought your piano already, but
here is good review link.
I think you should go for FP30 because it has escapement feature and pretty LEDs.
http://digitalpianobestreview.com/2016/03/19/roland-fp30-review-comparison-bestprice/

Re: Purchase Dilemma: Yamaha P-115 vs ROLAND FP-30 [Re: DanKeys] #2527098
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Originally Posted by DanKeys
Hey guys,

Thank you for your insight.

I have ordered the Yamaha P-115.

Looking forward to it.


Originally Posted by Hamin
I don't know if you bought your piano already...


Please, read the thread before posting. smile


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Re: Purchase Dilemma: Yamaha P-115 vs ROLAND FP-30 [Re: DanKeys] #2527166
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Hello DanKeys, Enjoy you're P-115. That's a fine board!!

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Originally Posted by Springday

The Roland was good but I found the action a bit 'flabby'. The keys felt more wobbly than you'd find in a modern acoustic upright. Some say the Yamaha's have a lighter touch but I thought they were about the same.


This is an interesting comment. When I tried the roland FP80 and FP50, I found the keys had too much side to side motion to my taste. That play in the key motion was distracting. They were floor models in a shop so I don't know what abuse that had undergone, but that put me of getting one (I was interested in the FP80 at the time). When you say the keys are wobbly, is that sort of side to side play in the motion what you're referring to? If that's true it might put me off on the FP30.

For what it's worth, the action on the RD800 has none of that, it's rock solid and very smooth.


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Originally Posted by fizikisto
Originally Posted by Springday

The Roland was good but I found the action a bit 'flabby'. The keys felt more wobbly than you'd find in a modern acoustic upright. Some say the Yamaha's have a lighter touch but I thought they were about the same.


This is an interesting comment. When I tried the roland FP80 and FP50, I found the keys had too much side to side motion to my taste. That play in the key motion was distracting. They were floor models in a shop so I don't know what abuse that had undergone, but that put me of getting one (I was interested in the FP80 at the time). When you say the keys are wobbly, is that sort of side to side play in the motion what you're referring to? If that's true it might put me off on the FP30.

For what it's worth, the action on the RD800 has none of that, it's rock solid and very smooth.


I played the FP30 recently, but did not notice the FP30 being wobbly... I think the only way to get a good feel of a piano action is to play it yourself..

Personally i dont like the action of the P115 at all... i would prefer the fp30 any day.. i dont think the FP30 action is heavy.. but then i also dont mind heavy action....

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Hi fizikisto, I agree with you and if this comment is true about Roland FP30, it might put me off too... A key action feeling "flabby" and "wobbly" is a cheap one, like Ivory Feel G. Other similar post talk about FP30 feeling weird and not as realistic like Yamaha P115. My feelings about FP50 and FP80 are the same about too much side to side motion, being RD800 more solid and smooth than FP50/80 key actions. Kawai MP7 is even more solid and smooth than RD800, for that reason i prefer it over any Roland except PHA-50. Cheers!...

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Re: Purchase Dilemma: Yamaha P-115 vs ROLAND FP-30 [Re: Korny] #2608491
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I'm sure it's too late, but I have found the newly debuted Viscount Smart 30 at NAMM. This totally competes with the FP-30. I'm not sure if any have mentioned much about internal speakers/amp. The Smart 30 is a 60W power. The sound samples on their web site sound great. www.viscountinstruments.com
It's also portable...similar case as FP-30, wood look...black or white...made in Italy...not Asia

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The Viscount Piano sounds very thin and not real, if the action is as Fatar action it's not very great.The internal speakers are less important than action and sound.


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