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Re: Acoustic vs Digital Piano [Re: molgra] #2608962
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Yes the 20 repetitions thing on the Casio gp bechstein action is something that could only be tested with a robotic finger loll


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Re: Acoustic vs Digital Piano [Re: molgra] #2608966
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New 1000 could buy you a Kawai ES110, the 3 pedalled console style stand, an adjustable bench and a pair of good headphones ( sennheiser 558 ^^) is one kit that comes to mind - there are equally interesting offerings from other brands like Roland, Yamaha and Casio.

And if/when the on board sound libraries start to grate or bore - there is Pianoteq etc =]


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Re: Acoustic vs Digital Piano [Re: molgra] #2608967
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Originally Posted by molgra
I am aware of current market values which is why I was seeking advice. I know I can't afford to upgrade to a really good piano, I was looking to find out if I what I have would be better than a cheap acoustic.


The response depends on where you live: in some parts of the US, $800 will not get you much in the way of a quality used acoustic--- and in others, it will go quite far. 'Cheap' does not necessarily equate to 'poor quality'... again, this statement is area-dependent.

It would be better of you would ask specific questions about particular pianos you have tried; generalities in a response don't get you very far, IMHO.

Re: Acoustic vs Digital Piano [Re: Goss] #2608972
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Originally Posted by Goss
New 1000 could buy you a Kawai ES110, the 3 pedalled console style stand, an adjustable bench and a pair of good headphones ( sennheiser 558 ^^) is one kit that comes to mind - there are equally interesting offerings from other brands like Roland, Yamaha and Casio.

And if/when the on board sound libraries start to grate or bore - there is Pianoteq etc =]



Thanks, I'll have a look at that and at the forum you mention.

Re: Acoustic vs Digital Piano [Re: molgra] #2608974
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A while ago we were looking at a Yamaha U1 and such and we looked up some rates for actually getting it from A to B - just to get it from a range of 100km max to our upstairs livingroom ( up one flight - 70's built home, with the garage on the groundfloor ) totalled 800 - excl. a first tuning sometime after it got settled -_- and 80% of that was moving it up those stairs lol


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Re: Acoustic vs Digital Piano [Re: molgra] #2608978
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Goss,

A typical tuning costs $150 in the Netherlands? That's definitely on the high side here, unless you live in a major city, live very far away from a technician (mileage charge added), or hired someone who's rather prominent in the field.


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Re: Acoustic vs Digital Piano [Re: terminaldegree] #2609256
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Actually Terminal, the 150 USD was a number I've come across on these forums for US prices.. Here if you live within a stones throw of one offering such services I found deals on twice annual tunings for €150 - todays exchange rates has that at 160 USD. A single tuning though goes for around 90€.


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Re: Acoustic vs Digital Piano [Re: pianoloverus] #2609856
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pianoloverus came across this record setting - 765 notes a minute comes to a hair under 13 notes a second XD


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Re: Acoustic vs Digital Piano [Re: Goss] #2609899
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Originally Posted by Goss
A while ago we were looking at a Yamaha U1 and such and we looked up some rates for actually getting it from A to B - just to get it from a range of 100km max to our upstairs livingroom ( up one flight - 70's built home, with the garage on the groundfloor ) totalled 800 - excl. a first tuning sometime after it got settled -_- and 80% of that was moving it up those stairs lol


The one time I had to have an acoustic moved the mover wanted to know how many stairs and turns there were, and they wanted to know exactly how many steps on each set of stairs. The rate would be based on what I told them and higher if I told them wrong. I actually had to go out front and look while I was on the phone because I couldn't remember exactly what the layout into the building was. Fortunately I live on the first floor and the place it came from had an elevator.

Re: Acoustic vs Digital Piano [Re: molgra] #2609916
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Yes they got this special system they use - construct rails on stairs with a loading tray - apparently part of the high cost is insurance for when the thing fails so that is one bit to ease tensions eying 250-300kg moving up those stairs on rails ^^
They need to know exactly the height of the stairs so they are certain they got the right lengths of rails to construct that lift on the stairs.

Even without bothers like first floor movings - I've seen grand pianos scurried across cobble stone pavement on hard castor wheeled trolleys - just painful to watch..


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Re: Acoustic vs Digital Piano [Re: Goss] #2610020
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Originally Posted by Goss
pianoloverus came across this record setting - 765 notes a minute comes to a hair under 13 notes a second XD


I've got 3 notes out with slightly sub 0.05s gaps (based on the midi outputs) on kawai grand feel 2 so it's not just the Casio that can repeat that fast. Run out of fingers after three though....

I'd suspect most triple sensored dps can manage similar rates

Re: Acoustic vs Digital Piano [Re: pianoloverus] #2610043
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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
I think the 20 reps/sec, even if true, is hogwash since no piece requires anywhere near that speed. Even Alborada del Gracioso del Gracioso or the famous Scarlatti D minor Sonata with all the repeated notes requires more like 6 notes/sec. No pianist is capable of playing anywhere near 20 notes/sec. I doubt if 10/sec is possible by any pianist.


At 150 BPM (allegro), a 32nd note trill is 20 notes/sec over 2 keys, or 10 notes/sec per key. Pros can do it.

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