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Possible legitimate, hitherto unknown photograph of Chopin
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My apologies for not being able to share a direct link so the Polonais website (The link does not seem to be working), but the Facebook link below details and shows a possible new photograph of Chopin that has just been discovered. There is a translation option (I don't read French), that details some of the findings. It could very well be a hoax. Something about the facial gesture looks to me a little too.....theatric?

Thought I'd share it here for some opinions.


https://www.facebook.com/Institutpo...78./1426045890739840/?type=3&theater

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It is translatable on Facebook by using the choose language option on the top right -- sigh, I attempted to link to the translation but the link always reverts to French. Based on the history of the discoverer, this does appear legitimate but would need authentication, of course.

Hoax? Possibly, but this came from a studio portrait, and the convention at the time was for photos to appear austere and perhaps a little theatric. I have many in my family background that make me shake my head at the facial expressions

Thanks so much for sharing!!!!


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Opus_Maximus #2605249 01/17/17 07:39 AM
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If you look at the background It's the same background with 1849 photograph taken by bisson and in the link you gave that says this photo is taken in 1847 by bisson and yes it can be legitimate because It's really looks like Chopin nose, hair, mouth, eyes. If It's really a photo of Chopin would be very surprised because Chopin is really handsome than I thought =)


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I do speak French and can translate this. It says:

"Discovery of an unpublished portrait photograph which very likely shows Chopin (1810-1849). Big surprise and emotion among the classical piano world! An unpublished image of great interest has been found at an individual's home by a fine connoisseur of Chopin, Mr Alain Kohler, a swiss physicist. He lead a deep investigation together with Mr Gilles Bencimon, Radio France Internationale, who is also passionate about this musician. The two researchers came to the conclusion that, to all appearances, they are about the photographical reproduction of a hitherto unknown daguerreotype of Chopin. Surely taken around 1847 in the workshop of Louis-Auguste Bisson, this image would only be the third known photo portrait of the composer. This is not Mr Alain Kohler's first discovery of the kind, since two years ago, at the German owner's home, he found the Pleyel grand piano no. 11265, which was Chopin's in winter/spring 1844/45 at Square d'Orléans in Paris."

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There was a plaster cast taken of Chopin's face (death mask) that can confirm features.

The arm-chair critic problems that I have with the discovered photo is that it doesn't look posed enough (exposures needed to be long, then, and people looked formal and stiff, not "arty" and pensive) and his necktie looks like a painting. The shadows need to be analyzed, also.

Norman Lebrecht has jumped on the story (annoyed?):

http://slippedisc.com/2017/01/swiss-physicist-finds-new-chopin-photograph/


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The features remind me of Hugh Grant, who played Chopin in the movie Impromptu. Hmmm.


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Originally Posted by Pianist685
I do speak French and can translate this. It says:

"Discovery of an unpublished portrait photograph which very likely shows Chopin (1810-1849). Big surprise and emotion among the classical piano world! An unpublished image of great interest has been found at an individual's home by a fine connoisseur of Chopin, Mr Alain Kohler, a swiss physicist. He lead a deep investigation together with Mr Gilles Bencimon, Radio France Internationale, who is also passionate about this musician. The two researchers came to the conclusion that, to all appearances, they are about the photographical reproduction of a hitherto unknown daguerreotype of Chopin. Surely taken around 1847 in the workshop of Louis-Auguste Bisson, this image would only be the third known photo portrait of the composer. This is not Mr Alain Kohler's first discovery of the kind, since two years ago, at the German owner's home, he found the Pleyel grand piano no. 11265, which was Chopin's in winter/spring 1844/45 at Square d'Orléans in Paris."
So the image is "a photographical reproduction of a hitherto unknown daguerreotype"....."found at an individual's home." What individual and where? crazy "An unpublished image of great interest" indeed. Perhaps some real "experts" could take a look at it...but I seriously doubt its authenticity. grin


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I seriously doubt this is authentic. If it were the media here in Poland would already be all over the story but I didn't hear or read a thing about it. To me it just looks like a photoshoped version of the known Bisson photograph.

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Ffffff-AKE.

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It looks a lot like this painting:

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Does anyone know anything about the Bisson studio? I wonder if it still exists.

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Originally Posted by JoelW
Does anyone know anything about the Bisson studio? I wonder if it still exists.


Nope.

from Wiki.....

"Louis-Auguste Bisson (French: [lwi oɡyst bisɔ̃]; 1814–1876) was a 19th-century French photographer. Bisson opened a photographic studio in early 1841. Soon after, his brother Auguste-Rosalie Bisson (1826–1900) entered into partnership with him. Their studio was in the La Madeleine in Paris, and they became famous as the Bisson Brothers. In 1860 they accompanied Napoleon III on his visit to Savoy. The pair produced remarkable images of the local scenery. Having received an encouraging response to his work, the following year Auguste ascended Mont Blanc, taking with him twenty-five porters to carry his equipment. The photographs were made using the Collodion process, with very large negatives, often up to 30 cm x 40 cm (12" x 16") The brothers refused to reduce their images to the carte de visite size and, consequently, after four years, they ceased operating their business. One of the most famous works attributed to this artist is his photograph of composer Frédéric Chopin. The origin of the portrait has never been adequately explained and, subsequently, the image was excluded from the 'Les frères Bisson Photographes' exhibition at the Bibliothèque Nationale in 1999."



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And while we are on the subject......here's yet another alleged photo (death-bed this time) of Chopin taken by Bisson. crazy

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/10/AR2011031001937.html



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Originally Posted by Carey
And while we are on the subject......here's yet another alleged photo (death-bed this time) of Chopin taken by Bisson. crazy

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/10/AR2011031001937.html


To me, that photo is clearly not Chopin.

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Originally Posted by JoelW
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And while we are on the subject......here's yet another alleged photo (death-bed this time) of Chopin taken by Bisson. crazy

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/10/AR2011031001937.html


To me, that photo is clearly not Chopin.
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He looks like he ate something bad.

But I agree with whoever said he was dishier than we thought!!


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Originally Posted by Anne Francis
He looks like he ate something bad.

Well, the picture was supposedly taken after his death! He might not have been feeling too well by that time!

Originally Posted by Anne Francis

But I agree with whoever said he was dishier than we thought!!



"dishier" ? And how "dishy(?) did we think he was (or wasn't)?

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Originally Posted by BruceD
Originally Posted by Anne Francis
He looks like he ate something bad.

Well, the picture was supposedly taken after his death! He might not have been feeling too well by that time!

Originally Posted by Anne Francis

But I agree with whoever said he was dishier than we thought!!



"dishier" ? And how "dishy(?) did we think he was (or wasn't)?


Freddy was definitely dishy when he was alive, and probably even when he was dead. Pale complexion due to anemia from chronic TB was highly prized at the time.....

After all, he was adored by George Sand, who chose her lovers carefully...... wink


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I'm starting to think this photo is genuine.

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Haha! Well, he doesn't seem all that attractive in that painted portrait (and neither was George Sand, from what I have seen!)... but I acknowledge standards of "dishiness" may have altered over the past century! ;-)

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