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Re: Greatest recital openers? [Re: Carey] #2605399
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Originally Posted by Carey
Originally Posted by jonnyboy126
you guys. horowitz's carmen or the schumann toccata are NOT recital openers.
True. Both the pianist and the audience would be worn out and ready to go home after either of those !! ha


OK, Cage 4'33" ha


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Re: Greatest recital openers? [Re: bennevis] #2605428
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Originally Posted by bennevis
I think one should work off one's rage (at the audience's coughing/talking/sneezing/sweet unwrapping/popcorn chomping - and of course, one's own inadequacy as a pianist) in the opening number:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHetvDqnkzE
I knew the piece you were referring to before I opened the link !!!! Great minds. ha


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Originally Posted by WhoDwaldi
Originally Posted by Carey
Originally Posted by jonnyboy126
you guys. horowitz's carmen or the schumann toccata are NOT recital openers.
True. Both the pianist and the audience would be worn out and ready to go home after either of those !! ha

OK, Cage 4'33" ha

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Re: Greatest recital openers? [Re: JoelW] #2605446
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George Antheil claimed that he would start off a concert by pulling out a gun and laying it on the music desk, just in case.


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Originally Posted by BDB
George Antheil claimed that he would start off a concert by pulling out a gun and laying it on the music desk, just in case.
Smart guy !! ha


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Re: Greatest recital openers? [Re: WhoDwaldi] #2605481
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Originally Posted by WhoDwaldi
Originally Posted by Carey
Originally Posted by jonnyboy126
you guys. horowitz's carmen or the schumann toccata are NOT recital openers.
True. Both the pianist and the audience would be worn out and ready to go home after either of those !! ha


OK, Cage 4'33" ha


The only problem - for me - with Cage's 4' 33" is that there are so many, many ways to interpret it, I wouldn't know which one to decide to work on! smile

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Re: Greatest recital openers? [Re: JoelW] #2605497
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Liszt grosses Koncert solo
or just dive right into Alkan's concerto for solo piano... (maximum respect)


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Re: Greatest recital openers? [Re: Orange Soda King] #2605500
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Originally Posted by Orange Soda King
Schumann's Toccata Op. 7 is a great way to open a recital with a bang!

Then where does one go from there? I'd start with the Czerny Toccata, of which the Schumann is clearly modeled on.

Otherwise...

I once went to a recital (after a long day at work) which opened with Mozart's sublime Adagio in B minor (K540). Alas, its profound sublimities merely put me to sleep. sleep So, I think not a good idea.

Another concert (by a very well known pianist) opened with Beethoven's spiffy Op 22. Its uncomplicated profundities were the perfect prelude to the more dramatic Schumann and Chopin which followed.


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Re: Greatest recital openers? [Re: XenondiFluoride] #2605505
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Originally Posted by XenondiFluoride
Liszt grosses Koncert solo

I realize you're having fun here, but I have a soft spot for the Liszt. Certainly the great B minor sonata of a few years later is far more satisfying, but for those of us who dearly love Liszt, even the stuff and warts that don't quite come off are of interest. Liszt unapologetically grandiose!
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...or just dive right into Alkan's concerto for solo piano...

One of the few piano works which might well begin and end a recital. wink


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Re: Greatest recital openers? [Re: JoelW] #2605712
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well I was serious about the Grosses Konzert solo it really opens up the mind to some great Liszt.


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Re: Greatest recital openers? [Re: XenondiFluoride] #2605932
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Originally Posted by XenondiFluoride
Liszt grosses Koncert solo
or just dive right into Alkan's concerto for solo piano... (maximum respect)

Are you all sure you read the subject? Openers, not closers!!!! Surely you all don't want to give the audience your best stuff at the start?

To get people engaged yet not preempt their expectations, I would pick something dramatic and Baroque (Bach 2nd partita) or a gentle wake-up call - Scarlatti E major Sonata (the famous one), or a couple of Debussy Preludes, or something really arresting but not "final", like a Ligeti etude or one of the Messiaen 20 Regards.

I mean, I love the Alkan concerto. But as a lead-off recital choice? No, not seeing that one. smile




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Ah, the art programming meets being facetious.

Seriously, the Horowitz Carmen Fantasy need not be played so bombastically as to disqualify it as an opener, or a second half opener . . . maybe. 😀
There are people who play it with subtlety.

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I often say that the Haydn C Major Fantasy is a good opener.


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Let's not forget what Horowitz opened with in his comeback recital in Carnegie Hall 1965: Bach/Busoni's Toccata, Adagio & Fugue in C, BWV 564. Almost just as soon as he'd started, he was hitting clinkers.

He learnt his lesson - when he played in London in front of royalty, and on live TV, he started with Kinderszenen. (Actually, he started with God save the Queen..... wink ).



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Originally Posted by SiFi
Originally Posted by XenondiFluoride
Liszt grosses Koncert solo
or just dive right into Alkan's concerto for solo piano... (maximum respect)

Are you all sure you read the subject? Openers, not closers!!!! Surely you all don't want to give the audience your best stuff at the start?

To get people engaged yet not preempt their expectations, I would pick something dramatic and Baroque (Bach 2nd partita) or a gentle wake-up call - Scarlatti E major Sonata (the famous one), or a couple of Debussy Preludes, or something really arresting but not "final", like a Ligeti etude or one of the Messiaen 20 Regards.

I mean, I love the Alkan concerto. But as a lead-off recital choice? No, not seeing that one. smile




Start with something dramatic and impressive to wake your audience, end with something schmaltzy to make them love you.


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Re: Greatest recital openers? [Re: bennevis] #2606846
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Originally Posted by bennevis
Let's not forget what Horowitz opened with in his comeback recital in Carnegie Hall 1965: Bach/Busoni's Toccata, Adagio & Fugue in C, BWV 564. Almost just as soon as he'd started, he was hitting clinkers.




Yeah, but still one heck of an opening. I wish I could do this one for an opener.

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I prefer opening with something that draws the audience in. Horowitz often opened with a set of Songs Without Words by Mendelssohn or more introspective Scarlatti Sonatas. You don't want to dull the audience's ears too quickly!

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