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Colossus Piano for iOS devices #2589962
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There's been discussions in the past about the future of IPad regards whether developers will ever produce multi mega byte vst's or produce anything even half approaching Pianoteq level.

It appears that Crudebytes have just released the most impressive piano (on paper) for IPad or IPhone in their new app called Collossus Piano.

Just downloaded the free starter app but not downloaded any of the 3 main pianos yet.

Option 1 is an upright piano costing £17
8 velocity layers per key and takes up 3.4 GB of space.

Option 2 is a white baby grand costing £23
12 velocity layers per key and takes up 6 Gb of space

Option 3 is the grand piano costing £40.
24 velocity layers per key and takes up 14 GB of space

At those prices and those specs it's clearly something very serious.

It's amazing where technology is heading and the developers Crudebyte obviously think there's a market for semi pro music software using an iOS device.

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Re: Colossus Piano for iOS devices [Re: sheffsteel] #2589978
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I've tried some of their past offerings and concluded that gigantic sample sets don't necessarily make for a great piano. I've also played the IK Multimedia and Korg piano offerings. To my ears and fingers, the Korg Module Ivory add-on comes closest to a decent all-around iOS piano I'd actually want to use if I didn't have any other options. But none of the iOS apps so far have even come close to what can be done with computer-based applications like Pianoteq. My feeling is the horsepower is there on the newest Apple devices, but the apps haven't caught up.

Re: Colossus Piano for iOS devices [Re: sheffsteel] #2590026
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Well, leave it to me to be the guinea pig in this group. smile I'm a sucker for piano software and piano apps, so I couldn't resist. However, TBH (and cautious as possible) I purchased the lowest price in-app piano - the Upright. (Besides I like jazz, blues and pop, so this piano seemed to be the right one to try).

Suffice it to say that this app is, unfortunately, NOT ready for prime time.

PROS:

1. The sound is pretty good.
2. No clicking or popping, even when playing at lowest latency (5ms).

CONS:

1. Even at low latency, there is a feeling of un-connectiveness, if that's word. There still seems like a slight delay between playing the key and hearing the sound. The playbility just isn't there, IMO. And I'm using an iPad Pro, so the hardware shouldn't be any problem.

2. Worst of all, after closing the app, and re-opening it, it defaults to the classic grand (which I did NOT buy/download), and does NOT allow me to switch to the upright (which I DID buy/download) anymore! It also doesn't allow me to re-download the Upright because in the settings, it says that this piano is already installed. This is either a glitch in this first release or the UI is so clunky that I can't figure out how to do this.

So, now I have a $23 app which basically doesn't work at all.

I have a few other piano apps on my iPad Pro and can honestly say that the Korg Module seems to be the best of the bunch at this point in time. This Colossus Piano app, without some significant improvements, doesn't come close. And don't even think of comparing it to a good VST on the computer.

In the world of piano software and apps, Ya win some and Ya lose some. Overall, I'm disappointed in this one. frown


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Re: Colossus Piano for iOS devices [Re: sheffsteel] #2590038
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Appreciate the review Bert.

Regards con number 2 one would expect it to be sorted in their next update.
I only have IKMultimedia iGrand piano as a specialist piano on my iPad and thinks it's OK but nothing more.

Now who wants to be the guinea pig for the £40, over $50 dark brown grand piano app ha ha.

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Re: Colossus Piano for iOS devices [Re: sheffsteel] #2590089
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Originally Posted by sheffsteel
Appreciate the review Bert.

Regards con number 2 one would expect it to be sorted in their next update.
I only have IKMultimedia iGrand piano as a specialist piano on my iPad and thinks it's OK but nothing more.

Now who wants to be the guinea pig for the £40, over $50 dark brown grand piano app ha ha.


Well, let me revise my first assessment, after digging a bit deeper.

First and foremost, you CAN easily switch between pianos (after you bought one, of course) by simply swiping - BUT, it has to be a LONG swipe. Longer than what I'm used to in my other apps.

The velocity curve can be adjusted, but only to a certain extent (I think that's probably a limitation of the iPad in general, as it's no better or worse than I've seen in other apps), but you can save your setting to a preset. Adjusting the velocity curve does help the app's playability IMO.

Sound is great (IMO). Still no pops or clicks for me. It comes with a list of room types which effects reverb, etc. But there is no choice of Jazz, Pop, Classical, Warm, Bright, etc that you might be used to seeing in a computer based VST.

One annoyance that I've discovered in this second go-round is that the app sometimes closes suddenly when adjusting a setting on the iPad's screen. However, it has NOT suddenly closed while playing on my DP.

Oh - and there's apparently no half-pedaling support (not that I expected it).

All in all, better than I first reported. But for the price I'm not sure how worthwhile it is when you can get other apps for less that a) give more choice of voices and b) seem to be (very) slightly more responsive.

If anybody is willing to try one of the grands, I'd love to hear about it.



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Re: Colossus Piano for iOS devices [Re: sheffsteel] #2590128
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Originally Posted by sheffsteel

It's amazing where technology is heading and the developers Crudebyte obviously think there's a market for semi pro music software using an iOS device.


Veering OT! I've seen iPads used in concerts by Einaudi, Tiersen and Jarre. Not piano though, Pads and Moog. Nearly the whole of the Jarre concert used an iPad Model 15. Sampletank and iGrand piano's aren't quite there yet but can be fun to play.

Re: Colossus Piano for iOS devices [Re: spanishbuddha] #2590171
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Originally Posted by spanishbuddha
Originally Posted by sheffsteel

It's amazing where technology is heading and the developers Crudebyte obviously think there's a market for semi pro music software using an iOS device.


Veering OT! I've seen iPads used in concerts by Einaudi, Tiersen and Jarre. Not piano though, Pads and Moog. Nearly the whole of the Jarre concert used an iPad Model 15. Sampletank and iGrand piano's aren't quite there yet but can be fun to play.


Yes, there are some amazing iOS synth and other music apps. It's just the piano stuff that seems to be behind the times there. I have more music apps on my phone and my iPad than I'll probably ever use.

Model 15 is on sale, btw. I grabbed it yesterday.

Moog Model 15 for iPhone/iPad


Re: Colossus Piano for iOS devices [Re: sheffsteel] #2590314
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Hello, I'm Miguel and I'm new user here.
Two days ago, I just downloaded the Dark piano in the colossus app, and the sound it's incredible.
I don't understand why you compare this piano with other like IGRAND? The sound in IGRAND is good, but nothing compare to this. I have Igrand on my iPad Pro and the sound it's looped, and you can't play like a good software piano with many layers.

The colossus dark piano, I think it's the best piano sound in the AppStore at this moment. Really, I think this app is not for all people, it's only for a person who likes a really good piano.
I have the IGRAND, the Korg module with ivory expansion, the CMP with the BECHSTEIN expansion, and the Fazioli and Kawai EX PRO in EXS format for Lyra sampler In AURIA pro, and now the DARK PIANO.

I test on my iPad Pro and with Korg plugkey interface, and the sound is lovely. if you compare with Alicia keys kontakt pc version, the price for 14 GB, 24 LAYERS, and sampled sound based on BECHSTEIN D280 GRAND CONCERT PIANO, I think it's a good choice if you needs a very good piano to play on live performance and have a good sensations.

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Re: Colossus Piano for iOS devices [Re: Miguel Cabrera] #2590400
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I don't think size is a guarantee that the software is of great quality. We have seen this many times in softwares for PCs. I have all the software you mention except this piano. CMP is the first one for IOS that I bought and is also the biggest but also worst of all. And the fact that Colossus is from the same producer does not bode well... What's more, when I see posts like this from someone that has just created a new account and say how great is a new product compared to all the others, I tent to be wary...
Having said that, there is one thing that people often do not consider... and this applies to softwares for PCs too. You can have a perfectly sampled piano and well executed, but if the underlying piano is not what you like best it's not going to become your go-to piano. There are piano softwares that are crap like EWQL pianos, and then there are well executed ones like the Ravenscroft or even extremely well done ones like the Vienna Imperial that I own (with 100 layers, great interface etc.), but I came to realize I like the sound of a Steinway much more than that of a Bosendorfer... So despite the great quality of the Vienna Imperial, the (much) cheaper American D remained my go-to piano....


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Re: Colossus Piano for iOS devices [Re: Digitalguy] #2590412
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Originally Posted by Digitalguy
I don't think size is a guarantee that the software is of great quality. We have seen this many times in softwares for PCs. I have all the software you mention except this piano. CMP is the first one for IOS that I bought and is also the biggest but also worst of all. And the fact that Colossus is from the same producer does not bode well... What's more, when I see posts like this from someone that has just created a new account and say how great is a new product compared to all the others, I tent to be wary...
Having said that, there is one thing that people often do not consider... and this applies to softwares for PCs too. You can have a perfectly sampled piano and well executed, but if the underlying piano is not what you like best it's not going to become your go-to piano. There are piano softwares that are crap like EWQL pianos, and then there are well executed ones like the Ravenscroft or even extremely well done ones like the Vienna Imperial that I own (with 100 layers, great interface etc.), but I came to realize I like the sound of a Steinway much more than that of a Bosendorfer... So despite the great quality of the Vienna Imperial, the (much) cheaper American D remained my go-to piano....

I own CMP and i like the Bechstein add on, while i couldn't warm to any of the default piano's.
The CMP Bechstein sounds like a Bechstein and therefor it has it's purpose.
The Vienna Imperial doesn't sound like a truly state of the art Bosendorfer imperial. I must say this is only judging from what is out there on the net as soundexamples.
I have tuned many, many Bosendorfers during the last 25 years and somehow it is difficult to capture THAT sound during sampling sessions.
A real Bosendorfer sounds very 'expensive' in real life, ( warm, bold, fat and gentile at the same time) , but most sampled Bosendorfers sound just a tiny bit cold, thin and harsh. Things that are certainly not there when sitting in front of a real, well tuned and regulated Bosendorfer.
And soundwise i think the Nord Grand Lady D has captured the Steinway sound i like best the most of all vst's and rare hardware sampled Steinways. If only the amount of layers and other aspects were increased considerably,....... it would be a truly great sampled Steinway..... now it has to many flaws.
And i have never understood the love for Ivory,........but that's purely personal, i am glad there is enough out there to please most of us.

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Re: Colossus Piano for iOS devices [Re: sheffsteel] #2590446
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Really I'm a new user, but I create this account because I don't know why someone can compare CMP grand piano with IGRAND? I refer with the BECHSTEIN A190
Normally the size not guarantee the quality, but it's probably that the sound has more realism, layers, and more seconds for each key, not looped. With these, the sound has more quality and has more size too
If you play long notes you can ear what the sound repeat, and dissapear.
The BECHSTEIN on CMP grand piano is best like any IGRAND piano.

And now This Dark piano sounds very very well. I like it so much, is best like any IOS PIANO, I'm sure for this.
The Korg module ivory is good too, but this new one for me is on another league.

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I'm not a crudebyte worker, I only post my opinion, and all people are free to buy any app who like it.

Re: Colossus Piano for iOS devices [Re: sheffsteel] #2590900
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Well I had purchased the Bechstein add-on in 2014 and I find it the worst of the CMP pianos (except the upright which I don't have and don't know). For me igrand (default), even looped, is better than this add-on. Having said that I don't play either (igrand and CMP), as the ivory add-on has become my only piano for IOS. As you say, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Some people will say Vienna Imperial is far ahead of anything, other that pianoteq is 1000 times better than any sampled, some said that nothing on earth came close to VI labs Raverscroft and so on. Same story all the time that only prove that one never has to buy based on the opinion of 1 or 2 persons as you can find a very different reality. Ivory pianos are praised by quite a few people here and in other forums, so it's probably not that bad, but again you will find its detractors (I haven't seen tons of them however). Over the years and many purchases I have learned to trust companies that have produced good pianos (for my taste) in the past, like Synthogy, and to mistrust those that have disappointed me. Of course the best are those like pianoteq that let you test before you buy, but unfortunately they are pretty much the only major player to do this...


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For my ears the IGRAND is only a simple piano with a cold sound. The loop end is exaggerated.
The bechstein in CMP sounds like a Bechstein, problably there are many people who likes other sound type. This piano haven't got the typical sound piano of Yamaha, Steinway, But is one of my favourite in IOS.

The ivory on PC kontakt Version perhaps has a good sound. more layers, half pedal, releases, etc
In IOS, the sound is not bad, I like it too, but when I purchase in this dark piano in the colossus app, I encountered the best sound on IOS. I test with various in ears, with all these app open, and chaging midi channels to compare. For me, there aren't any comparison.

the piano sounds,are like colours. Many people likes the BLUE colour, others the yellow. I purchase and test many pianos in kontakt too, based in forums, opinions, and when I touch, my opinion it's very very different.
I'm not a professional piano producer or luthier, but I finish my superior piano conservatory, and I play many many pianos. Today I can say colossus app for me is the best, and I don't need opinions from forums to say that, because I check all best pianos on IOS.

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Originally Posted by Miguel Cabrera

The ivory on PC kontakt Version perhaps has a good sound. more layers, half pedal, releases, etc
In IOS, the sound is not bad, I like it too, but when I purchase in this dark piano in the colossus app, I encountered the best sound on IOS.


The ivory on Kontakt is only a pirated copy. I don't know how technically it was made but it's 20 times smaller than the original so it must be far from having the same layers and functions.


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Hi,

They put videos on their website about the Colossus piano :

http://musicappblog.com/colossus-piano-updated/


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This videos are nothing new, they were already online and in the app since the beginning


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