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Re: spent 10 minutes on the Kawai MP11 [Re: Dave Horne] #2602351
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I'm going to jump into the fray here and sheepishly admit that after owning the MP11 for over two and a half years, I am possibly replacing it with the Physis H1. The latter is shipping and will be here sometime next week. I LOVE the GF action on the MP11, but try as I might, I cannot fall in love with the sound. No matter how much I massage it, it's one of the least inspiring piano sounds of any DP I've ever owned. I played a Korg SV-1 88 today which used to be my only instrument and just sank right into it like I was on my Steinway.

The MP11 kind of fell into an awkward hole with me: Too fat to be a suitable desk workstation master controller, too heavy to take anywhere, too anemic sounding to be fun to play without hooking it into my Nord or PC, and paled too much next to my AP to be worth recording on (natch). The only thing it has going for it is that buttery action.

I may yet keep it if I find the Physis crappy to play on and send it back, but I got it for a steal (open box) with free shipping. Its modeling engine fascinates me and I like the idea of having it on board instead of using a VSTi like Pianoteq (plus with the number of piano models the H1 has, getting that many patches on PT5 would involve shelling out enough to Modartt to make it the cost of the H1 in the first place.)

I am tempted, SORELY tempted to put the H1, MP11, and Steinway side by side in the world's most lopsided fistfight video, But I really don't see what this would accomplish, beyond being gear porn and that's a LOT of audio stuff to rig up. I did my bit for king and country at least by being the first MP11 unboxing video (yes, that one with the crappy scales and filmed with Google Glass).

I love my MP11 on the whole, but I am way more moved and excited by the Physis in concept. Let's put it this way, if I had to have a DP as my primary and only instrument, I would probably stick with the MP11.

I played a Nord Stage 2 EX today and found its action to feel cheap and plasticky but VERY easy to play on and remarkably expressive. I know it uses a much more basic version of the TP/40 action, but I still didn't know what to make of it.

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Re: spent 10 minutes on the Kawai MP11 [Re: Dave Horne] #2602382
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Your experience of Kawai mirrors mine. Just cannot love those sounds, as much as I want to. The Physis club is pretty small (!) so you're already on the board. You'll have to let us all know how you get on.


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Re: spent 10 minutes on the Kawai MP11 [Re: Markarian] #2602396
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Same experience with my MP7 here, about many fruitless attempts to fix the piano sound to my liking with on board means. The Concert Grand 1 (EX) triggers a kind of hearing fatigue with me.

As I suggested before: if Kawai would "massage" their customers and offer a piano sound upgrade or an exchange program, Kawai would not loose customers. Currently I am checking my options too, to get an action and sound upgrade from the MP7, (besides a new acoustic).


Re: spent 10 minutes on the Kawai MP11 [Re: Dave Horne] #2602533
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I owned an MP10, and that is exactly why I sold it. I loved the action at the time, but I just could not like the piano sounds. And no ability to load anything else. I ended up using it as a controller. Now I play on a new Kronos. The action is not quite at the level of the MP10, but almost - and the sounds are superior including their German Grand - which is loved the world round. After long thought, I think the best solution for me personally would have been a VPC with pianoteq and ivory. I reached this conclusion because I don't use most of the Kronos workstation capabilities. It is pretty deep.

I have not seen a physis but would love to hear more. If it's fatar, then I'm pessimistic already -- having owned a Nord with horrible action.

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Re: spent 10 minutes on the Kawai MP11 [Re: Markarian] #2602549
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Originally Posted by Markarian
I did my bit for king and country at least by being the first MP11 unboxing video (yes, that one with the crappy scales and filmed with Google Glass).


Oh I just had to jump in and say that I really dug that old unboxing video. I stumbled across it shortly after getting my own MP11 and really liked the novelty and versatility of the first-person recording. And having messed with mine for a day already I knew immediately when you first tried to play it that you'd get no sound (turn on one of the sections, turn it on!).

Keep us updated on the Physis, it definitely sounds intriguing (and yes, I agree that modeled solutions are conceptually way more exciting, and with more room for improvement, over the comparatively mature sampling tech).


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Re: spent 10 minutes on the Kawai MP11 [Re: Dave Horne] #2602602
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Haha, thanks! And I want to clarify that the MP11's samples aren't BAD. They're actually some of the most detailed I've ever heard. I think they are just...boring. They don't soar. Bread and butter is satisfying and tasty, but you can't live on it. Maybe it's just the particular EX they used to sample, who the heck knows.

James, I love you man, but the honeymoon is over for so many of us. You guys might want to look into modeling or reloadable samples like a Nord. I find it ironic that I can load a shimmering Shigeru SK7 onto my Nord, but not on my Kawai! An MP12 with GFII, more sounds and a couple light workstation features, plus reloadable samples would be killer. Certainly worth the $2800 next time around.



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Re: spent 10 minutes on the Kawai MP11 [Re: Ottawa58] #2602606
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Originally Posted by Ottawa58
I owned an MP10, and that is exactly why I sold it. I loved the action at the time, but I just could not like the piano sounds. And no ability to load anything else. I ended up using it as a controller. Now I play on a new Kronos. The action is not quite at the level of the MP10, but almost - and the sounds are superior including their German Grand - which is loved the world round. After long thought, I think the best solution for me personally would have been a VPC with pianoteq and ivory. I reached this conclusion because I don't use most of the Kronos workstation capabilities. It is pretty deep.

I have not seen a physis but would love to hear more. If it's fatar, then I'm pessimistic already -- having owned a Nord with horrible action.


The Fatar action is honestly a big part of what made me return my Kurzweil PCLE8 (what a mistake that thing was) and what made me pass up the Nord Stage 2 in favor of the MP11. I feel like for the sounds I am so sold on the H1 (and my Nord, for that matter) But from what I keep hearing the TP/40GW is right up there with Roland's newer PHA actions and seems to earn high praise. I played a Stage 2 EX yesterday and while it felt plasticky and cheap, it WAS surprisingly expressive and easy to play, so go figure. I'm certainly expecting the Physis to be that much better.


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