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spent 10 minutes on the Kawai MP11 #2601629
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I'm in Eastbourne staying a few minutes away from Bonner's and tried the MP11 today.

I think I'm safe in saying that is probably the best keyboard action in a stage piano. While that keyboard was on my shortlist on models to buy I really didn't like the looks of it.

The height of the keyboard is quite thick and I'm not certain my flight case could accommodate it. The default piano sounded extremely bright to me and I settled in on the Jazz Piano (which I think was the third piano in the setup).

I didn't stay very long at Bonner's since they had the front door open either loading or unloading keyboards and the store was cold.

Oh well, it's looking more like the RD800 will replace the C5 I just sold.



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Re: spent 10 minutes on the Kawai MP11 [Re: Dave Horne] #2601633
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I hope you can still get the end of year discounts on the rd-800? I'd wait the 2 weeks for NAMM just to see if Roland springs something (even if set on the rd800 that would probably indicate whether there will be more price cuts coming down the pike?)


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Re: spent 10 minutes on the Kawai MP11 [Re: Dave Horne] #2601634
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Originally Posted by Dave Horne
I'm in Eastbourne staying a few minutes away from Bonner's and tried the MP11 today.

I think I'm safe in saying that is probably the best keyboard action in a stage piano. While that keyboard was on my shortlist on models to buy I really didn't like the looks of it.

The height of the keyboard is quite thick and I'm not certain my flight case could accommodate it. The default piano sounded extremely bright to me and I settled in on the Jazz Piano (which I think was the third piano in the setup).

I didn't stay very long at Bonner's since they had the front door open either loading or unloading keyboards and the store was cold.

Oh well, it's looking more like the RD800 will replace the C5 I just sold.



Kawai pianosounds out of the block are bright, but also quite dark. You can modify them using virtual technician, and there is an extensive post about this.

Frankly, the MP11 isn't a direct competitor with the RD800, the MP7 is. The MP11 doesn't have the live functionality! Rather, the MP11 is an instrument for the home that you can take on the road; however, the main purpose is to get the action and if you want, supplement with a VST or two if you really can't stand Kawai piano samples with modelled effects. If you really want a great piano sound and great live functioning, with a great action, you've got no clear winner. The MP7 has a good action; the RD800 has nearly as good an action; the Nord Piano 3 (whilst expensive) has nearly as good an action and a simpler live interface; the Kurzweil Forte is awesome in every way except the action; the CP4 is old hat; the Physis Pianos have rubbish actions (according to Pianoman Chuck); furthermore, the only other options are workstations and performance synths e.g., the Kronos 2 or the Yamaha Montage (neither of which get near the action quality of the MP11).

I might suggest waiting till Winter Namm is over, and maybe the RD800 will get upgraded to the PHA-50 action with full modelled piano. That would tip the balance.

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Re: spent 10 minutes on the Kawai MP11 [Re: Doug M.] #2601637
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Doug, that is in fact my plan, to wait until NAMM is over.


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Re: spent 10 minutes on the Kawai MP11 [Re: Doug M.] #2601640
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Originally Posted by Doug M.
....the Physis Pianos have rubbish actions (according to Pianoman Chuck)....


You've done the Physis (and Pianoman Chuck) a disservice.

Note his comments at 1:28 in this video review of the Studiologic SL88 Grand controller, which has an identical action and key structure/surface to the Physis H1. Identical.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzWQytpa2_k


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Re: spent 10 minutes on the Kawai MP11 [Re: EssBrace] #2601667
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Originally Posted by EssBrace
Originally Posted by Doug M.
....the Physis Pianos have rubbish actions (according to Pianoman Chuck)....


You've done the Physis (and Pianoman Chuck) a disservice.

Note his comments at 1:28 in this video review of the Studiologic SL88 Grand controller, which has an identical action and key structure/surface to the Physis H1. Identical.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzWQytpa2_k


I heard PMC comment about the H1 after he tested it at NAMM; however, as you have one, how do you think it compares with it's main competitors?


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Re: spent 10 minutes on the Kawai MP11 [Re: Dave Horne] #2601673
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Yes I saw him comment at the time. He certainly didn't say it was "rubbish" and of course NAMM is the worst place on planet earth to audition a DP. Now he's acclimatised to that action (in the Studiologic) he says it's "phenomenal".

I think the Physis action is very good. Entirely comparable to, although not the same as, the premium folded actions from Roland, Yamaha and Kawai.

I correspond with a former PW member and he prefers the action in his Physis H1 to the action in his V-Piano.


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Originally Posted by EssBrace

Note his comments at 1:28 in this video review of the Studiologic SL88 Grand controller, which has an identical action and key structure/surface to the Physis H1. Identical.


What really struck me is that he stresses multiple times in the video posted that as good as the SL88 Grand action is, it "doesn't come close to a VPC1 or MP11."

My take from his prior comments here is that it's a perfectly good and enjoyable action for a gigging pro--it gets the job done well and doesn't hinder your performance once the velocity curves are set up correctly, but it doesn't approach the realism of other higher end actions (that cost significantly more). Add to that it's got a more-than-approachable price and features you won't find on even top-class DPs such as aftertouch support.

It sounds like it comes down to what you're looking for. PW users seem to tremendously value realistic action (and AP tones) over synth features, which makes us more likely to discount anything other than the top-grade actions. But there are a lot of interesting/exciting products out there and I'm trying not to close my eyes to them.


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Re: spent 10 minutes on the Kawai MP11 [Re: Gombessa] #2601789
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Originally Posted by Gombessa
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Note his comments at 1:28 in this video review of the Studiologic SL88 Grand controller, which has an identical action and key structure/surface to the Physis H1. Identical.


What really struck me is that he stresses multiple times in the video posted that as good as the SL88 Grand action is, it "doesn't come close to a VPC1 or MP11."



But that's not the issue. He implies (just his opinion, remember) the same about every action in comparison with the wooden kawais and indeed the AvantGrand. No one who plays a Fatar TP40 Wood action would find it "rubbish". They may choose others in preferencce but it's certainly not rubbish. The constant downer on Fatar from many people who have clearly never played one in recent times is tiresome.


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Originally Posted by EssBrace
But that's not the issue. He implies (just his opinion, remember) the same about every action in comparison with the wooden kawais and indeed the AvantGrand.


Fair enough, but remember, you were the one who brought up PMC's video (and consequently, his post-NAMM opinions on the SL88).

I haven't tried it myself, and I have a hard time believing it would be objectively "rubbish" in any reasonable view, but as this thread is titularly about the MP11, I felt it worth mentioning that the video posted in defense of the SL88 made it a specific point (or three) that it simply doesn't compare at all to the VPC1 and MP11. IMO that's a relevant point.


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Re: spent 10 minutes on the Kawai MP11 [Re: Gombessa] #2601867
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Originally Posted by Gombessa
Originally Posted by EssBrace
But that's not the issue. He implies (just his opinion, remember) the same about every action in comparison with the wooden kawais and indeed the AvantGrand.


Fair enough, but remember, you were the one who brought up PMC's video (and consequently, his post-NAMM opinions on the SL88).


Look, for Dave's sake, the thread has derailed somewhat. Yes I cited the video but only because Doug stated that PMC said the Physis has a "rubbish action". Patently that cannot be PMC's opinion. It was an unfair statement that needed to be challenged, that's all.


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Re: spent 10 minutes on the Kawai MP11 [Re: Dave Horne] #2601948
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If the Physis H1/2/3 are using the same action as the SL88 Grand then it's also similar or the same as the Nord Piano 3. These are Fatar TP-40 variations - TP-40W or TP-40H. Compact actions with short key lengths and the the action's mechanism underneath the keys.

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It's not fair to compare these types of actions to the MP-11.

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If you don't need to gig or travel with, or have very limited space and you intend to use software pianos rather than the internal sounds...

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Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
If the Physis H1/2/3 are using the same action as the SL88 Grand then it's also similar or the same as the Nord Piano 3. These are Fatar TP-40 variations - TP-40W or TP-40H. Compact actions with short key lengths and the the action's mechanism underneath the keys.

The RD-800 has the PHA-IV

It's not fair to compare these types of actions to the MP-11.


Quite. All the folded plastic actions (whether with strips of wood incorporated or not) are not really comparable with the Kawai wooden actions. And in turn they (the Kawais) are not really comparable with the AvantGrand.

BTW, the Physis action is not the same as the Nord's. 'TP40 Wood' is, confusingly, not a derivation of TP40. It is a wooden version of TP400, which is a different action and the top of the Fatar line.


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Re: spent 10 minutes on the Kawai MP11 [Re: EssBrace] #2602129
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Originally Posted by EssBrace
Yes I saw him comment at the time. He certainly didn't say it was "rubbish" and of course NAMM is the worst place on planet earth to audition a DP. Now he's acclimatised to that action (in the Studiologic) he says it's "phenomenal".

I think the Physis action is very good. Entirely comparable to, although not the same as, the premium folded actions from Roland, Yamaha and Kawai.

I correspond with a former PW member and he prefers the action in his Physis H1 to the action in his V-Piano.


Yeah, I apologize for using 'rubbish' as a sloppy paraphrase description. What PMC actually said was that he'd been playing premium actions of Kawai and Yamaha pianos, and that the Physis H1 was 'disappointing' compared to those. That was 2015 when the GFII action was released.

The H1 I think was a 2014 release at a list price of $4800 ish. The V-piano being a 2009 release at $7900 list price (both list prices from Kraft music). The V-piano was too expensive for the action it came with (compared to the Avant Grand); however, to match or slightly improve upon the V-piano PHAIII action 5 years later is commendable (for Fatar).

Further, the V-piano felt allot better to play than the RD700NX, which I found disappointing. Perhaps the modelling on the H1 also flatters it's action. This might explain why it feels better in isolation at home than when compared to the CA97 at NAMM.

Nord do modify their Fatar actions, so although I've played Nord Piano 2 & 3, I don't feel one way or another about the TP40 wood action in the H1. Nobody near Manchester seems to have the H1 in stock to test---too bad!

Throwing the Physis H1 into the ring with the MP11/7, CP4, Rd800, Forte, Nord Piano 3, and V-piano etc., doesn't make it easier to choose.

Still think that if the focus is on best piano action with only limited live performance, then the MP11 with VSTi's is the way to go; alternatively, if live performance will be a more frequent affair, then the RD800 should be compared to the MP7, NP3, Forte, Montage, CP4 etc. Then, if modelling is ones bag, and one has more money to spend, the Physis H1 might be in the mix (if you can find one to test).

Question is: will Roland release an RD800SX released with full piano modelling and PHA50 Keynes?

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The PHA-50 isn't all that different from the compact actions we're talking about here. The wood they are offering is pretty superficial. Nice for looks though.

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Kawai is experimenting with carbon fibre on their acoustic actions. I suppose at some point we'll see a digital with it. The price has dropped a lot, under $10 a pound now, I've seen it as low as $6. But plastic and aluminum are still cheaper.

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Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
The PHA-50 isn't all that different from the compact actions we're talking about here. The wood they are offering is pretty superficial. Nice for looks though.

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Kawai is experimenting with carbon fibre on their acoustic actions. I suppose at some point we'll see a digital with it. The price has dropped a lot, under $10 a pound now, I've seen it as low as $6. But plastic and aluminum are still cheaper.


I've tested the PHA50 for half an hour in Manchester last October, and for 40 mins in Oct 2015. It's much better than the PHAIV, surely you're not suggesting all folded actions are equivalent? IMO, the LX17 is a better product than the CA97. Some of that is the speaker/amp system, some of it is the modelling; however, the action is not so far off the GF1.


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No, I'm just saying slapping some wood on the side of the Roland folded action design isn't ground breaking.

For what it's worth, for a slab DP with compact action, the Kawai ES8 plays pretty well.

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I'm guessing you feel the PHA-50 isn't bad either.

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Jay has posted that there are some fairly significant structural improvements with pha-50 over PHA-IV that extend past just the wood paneling. For instance, a quieter rebound and the addition of stabilizing pins in the keys to reduce horizontal play.


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Originally Posted by Gombessa
Jay has posted that there are some fairly significant structural improvements with pha-50 over PHA-IV that extend past just the wood paneling. For instance, a quieter rebound and the addition of stabilizing pins in the keys to reduce horizontal play.


Yes, I remember seeing as much in Roland's promotional vids.
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Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
No, I'm just saying slapping some wood on the side of the Roland folded action design isn't ground breaking.

For what it's worth, for a slab DP with compact action, the Kawai ES8 plays pretty well.

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I'm guessing you feel the PHA-50 isn't bad either.


I did enjoy testing the ES8: a really nice action.

I think Roland will do better than the PHA50 especially for their expensive cabinet digitals, but let's say I was pleasantly surprised by the PHA50 when I tested the LX17 against the CS11 and CA97. I'd say Roland has somewhat closed the gap---good for us as it keeps pressure on Kawai to keep improving their actions.

Perhaps Roland will soon develop a non-folded action also?


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I'm going to jump into the fray here and sheepishly admit that after owning the MP11 for over two and a half years, I am possibly replacing it with the Physis H1. The latter is shipping and will be here sometime next week. I LOVE the GF action on the MP11, but try as I might, I cannot fall in love with the sound. No matter how much I massage it, it's one of the least inspiring piano sounds of any DP I've ever owned. I played a Korg SV-1 88 today which used to be my only instrument and just sank right into it like I was on my Steinway.

The MP11 kind of fell into an awkward hole with me: Too fat to be a suitable desk workstation master controller, too heavy to take anywhere, too anemic sounding to be fun to play without hooking it into my Nord or PC, and paled too much next to my AP to be worth recording on (natch). The only thing it has going for it is that buttery action.

I may yet keep it if I find the Physis crappy to play on and send it back, but I got it for a steal (open box) with free shipping. Its modeling engine fascinates me and I like the idea of having it on board instead of using a VSTi like Pianoteq (plus with the number of piano models the H1 has, getting that many patches on PT5 would involve shelling out enough to Modartt to make it the cost of the H1 in the first place.)

I am tempted, SORELY tempted to put the H1, MP11, and Steinway side by side in the world's most lopsided fistfight video, But I really don't see what this would accomplish, beyond being gear porn and that's a LOT of audio stuff to rig up. I did my bit for king and country at least by being the first MP11 unboxing video (yes, that one with the crappy scales and filmed with Google Glass).

I love my MP11 on the whole, but I am way more moved and excited by the Physis in concept. Let's put it this way, if I had to have a DP as my primary and only instrument, I would probably stick with the MP11.

I played a Nord Stage 2 EX today and found its action to feel cheap and plasticky but VERY easy to play on and remarkably expressive. I know it uses a much more basic version of the TP/40 action, but I still didn't know what to make of it.

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Your experience of Kawai mirrors mine. Just cannot love those sounds, as much as I want to. The Physis club is pretty small (!) so you're already on the board. You'll have to let us all know how you get on.


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Same experience with my MP7 here, about many fruitless attempts to fix the piano sound to my liking with on board means. The Concert Grand 1 (EX) triggers a kind of hearing fatigue with me.

As I suggested before: if Kawai would "massage" their customers and offer a piano sound upgrade or an exchange program, Kawai would not loose customers. Currently I am checking my options too, to get an action and sound upgrade from the MP7, (besides a new acoustic).


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I owned an MP10, and that is exactly why I sold it. I loved the action at the time, but I just could not like the piano sounds. And no ability to load anything else. I ended up using it as a controller. Now I play on a new Kronos. The action is not quite at the level of the MP10, but almost - and the sounds are superior including their German Grand - which is loved the world round. After long thought, I think the best solution for me personally would have been a VPC with pianoteq and ivory. I reached this conclusion because I don't use most of the Kronos workstation capabilities. It is pretty deep.

I have not seen a physis but would love to hear more. If it's fatar, then I'm pessimistic already -- having owned a Nord with horrible action.

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Originally Posted by Markarian
I did my bit for king and country at least by being the first MP11 unboxing video (yes, that one with the crappy scales and filmed with Google Glass).


Oh I just had to jump in and say that I really dug that old unboxing video. I stumbled across it shortly after getting my own MP11 and really liked the novelty and versatility of the first-person recording. And having messed with mine for a day already I knew immediately when you first tried to play it that you'd get no sound (turn on one of the sections, turn it on!).

Keep us updated on the Physis, it definitely sounds intriguing (and yes, I agree that modeled solutions are conceptually way more exciting, and with more room for improvement, over the comparatively mature sampling tech).


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Haha, thanks! And I want to clarify that the MP11's samples aren't BAD. They're actually some of the most detailed I've ever heard. I think they are just...boring. They don't soar. Bread and butter is satisfying and tasty, but you can't live on it. Maybe it's just the particular EX they used to sample, who the heck knows.

James, I love you man, but the honeymoon is over for so many of us. You guys might want to look into modeling or reloadable samples like a Nord. I find it ironic that I can load a shimmering Shigeru SK7 onto my Nord, but not on my Kawai! An MP12 with GFII, more sounds and a couple light workstation features, plus reloadable samples would be killer. Certainly worth the $2800 next time around.



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Originally Posted by Ottawa58
I owned an MP10, and that is exactly why I sold it. I loved the action at the time, but I just could not like the piano sounds. And no ability to load anything else. I ended up using it as a controller. Now I play on a new Kronos. The action is not quite at the level of the MP10, but almost - and the sounds are superior including their German Grand - which is loved the world round. After long thought, I think the best solution for me personally would have been a VPC with pianoteq and ivory. I reached this conclusion because I don't use most of the Kronos workstation capabilities. It is pretty deep.

I have not seen a physis but would love to hear more. If it's fatar, then I'm pessimistic already -- having owned a Nord with horrible action.


The Fatar action is honestly a big part of what made me return my Kurzweil PCLE8 (what a mistake that thing was) and what made me pass up the Nord Stage 2 in favor of the MP11. I feel like for the sounds I am so sold on the H1 (and my Nord, for that matter) But from what I keep hearing the TP/40GW is right up there with Roland's newer PHA actions and seems to earn high praise. I played a Stage 2 EX yesterday and while it felt plasticky and cheap, it WAS surprisingly expressive and easy to play, so go figure. I'm certainly expecting the Physis to be that much better.


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