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High Impedance Headphones for Yamaha Pianos
#2598438 12/27/16 03:01 PM
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Hi there, first time poster here! smile

I've been lurking around for now and then and finally it's time to start posting. I know there is another thread about headphones, but I have more specific questions and didn't want to intervene that thread.

I'm using a Yamaha DGX-650 with AKG K242 HD. It's working fine, even though I think the max volume is a bit lower than I would have wanted.

I'm thinking about buying a new pair of headphones, either Sennheiser HD 598, HD 600 or HD 650.


1. For the 600/650, the impedance is massive 300 ohm. Would that lower my volume significantly?

2. If possible, I would like to avoid a separate headphone amp (additional space and power connector), so maybe the 598 is a better choice in that regard. But would the 600/650 be a much better choice of headphones for a digital piano? I'm buying long term here and money is not an issue here between 598/600/650.

3. If I would buy a fairly small headphone amp, are there any recommendations for this specific purpose?

4. I'm going to buy a new piano fairly soon, and two of the likely candidates are the Yamaha CLP-575/585. Would the volume for headphones be similar to what I'm experiencing on my DGX-650, or can I expect a better output volume there?


Other suggestions would be most welcome. Thanks for reading.


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RickardNi #2598446 12/27/16 04:16 PM
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From what I've read it is likely you will need a headphone amp to drive >250ohm headphones https://www.jdslabs.com/products/1/cmoybb-v2-03-headphone-amplifier/ is a nice one that won't cost an arm and a leg - works off a battery or psu ^^ They got feedback from users with specific headphones for a long time now and can tailor to suit your model more specifically.

There are some low impedance headphones like the philips fidelio x2 you might want to try in comparison to the HD600 - I tried its predecessor some time ago and was impressed, though at the time that one did not have replaceable cushions which seemed a shame for the price - the new model improved on the fit, the driver, and the cushions and prices are favourable.





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From what I've read it is likely you will need a headphone amp to drive >250ohm headphones https://www.jdslabs.com/products/1/cmoybb-v2-03-headphone-amplifier/ is a nice one that won't cost an arm and a leg - works off a battery or psu ^^ They got feedback from users with specific headphones for a long time now and can tailor to suit your model more specifically.


Thanks for the advice, that actually seemed like a really cool product at first glance. I really like the battery option. I guess I could just attach it under the piano or something and not worry about anything else (like power chord).

After some more reading, it seems like people are running 600/650 without any amp on some digital pianos. I'm a bit worried since I'm not even satisfied with my current headphone volume, but maybe CLP-575 works better. I'm thinking about byuing the Sennheiser HD650 and just try it out, and then take them to the local music store and compare if there's any difference in output.


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Originally Posted by RickardNi


1. For the 600/650, the impedance is massive 300 ohm. Would that lower my volume significantly?

My Sennheiser HD600 gives the same volume on my digital (and iPod too, for that matter) as my Grado SR325is (which has impedance of 32 Ω). The volume control dial is set at halfway for both headphones, which gives about the same volume as an acoustic grand in a small concert hall.

Sensitivity needs to be taken into account, when the volume is being considered.

Maybe your Yamaha digital has very low output?


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When I was considoring headphone options I found some reporting issues using high impedence headphones - then again others with the same headphones not bothered at all with any discerned audio issues..

but whichever headphones you like best, if the onboard amp does prove underpowered there are cheap solutions like the cmoybb..


Measuring my sennheisers, 23% yields 80db. Over speakers the volume is set to 33% for the same levels, so I am left wondering what SPL you play at bennevis when you say you play at 50% ^^
A nice grand can go as loud as a jackhammer I know..




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Before anyone runs out and buys a headphone amplifier, consider buying a small desktop mixer (such as a Mackie 402VLZ4 mixer or any other small mixer) and you'll have a piece of equipment that will have more functions than a headphone amplifier.



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Ok, so after additional consideration, I think I'm set on the Sennheiser HD 650. It just seems to be the best of the three, and even if I need to amp it, so be it.

Hopefully, the output from my future piano will be good enough, it really seems that most people are satisfied with them even without amplifier.

If anyone have any experience in output DGX-650/660 compared to a Clavinova, that would be interesting to hear from you.

Thanks for the advice in the thread!


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I have had both the Sennheiser 598 and 600 for several years now to use with my Yamaha P250. The volume output is essentially the same. I have the yamaha volume control set in exactly the middle for both.
However, the sound of the 600 is so much more natural. I judge them by how close I feel to playing my acoustic grand. I don't know what word to use, possibly "soundstage". With the 598 I feel like I have my head inside the piano. With the 600 I feel like I am sitting at the keyboard of my grand and hearing it as it sounds naturally.


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