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Re: Kawai vs Yamaha [Re: Rickster] #2596386
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Originally Posted by Rickster
Originally Posted by Scott McBain
If I was not a Kawai dealer, I would try and be a Yamaha dealer and vice a versa! Two of the easist pianos to sell (and not make a lot of money doing it!)

Sorry, Scott, I just don't buy the "not make a lot of money doing it" statement. I know piano dealers have overhead and expenses, but I think most piano dealers do very well.

The last big piano store I visited, there were 4 people in the store, me, the owner, and 2 salespeople. There were 4 vehicles in the parking lot, my 2004 Chevy Silverado pick-up truck, and 3 late model Mercedes Benz sedans, all black.

If piano dealers didn't make a lot of money, they wouldn't be in the business.

Don't get me wrong, I want to see piano dealers flourish and prosper, but they either make money, and a fair amount, or go out of business.

Just my opinion...

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Re: Kawai vs Yamaha [Re: leel] #2596448
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Interesting, I just played a bunch of new Yamaha and Kawai grands a few weeks ago, and aside from one abnormally bright Kawai GL40 (I think the dealer let the "new guy" screw with it), the Yamahas were still much brighter than the Kawai pianos...so unless my information was outdated as of three weeks ago, I do still find them brighter.

I used to teach for a studio with many campuses, all having Yamaha grands. I never liked one. These weren't high-end Yamahas, though, mind you.


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I think AJF hit the nail on the head. The most significant advantage that the Kawai action has is when it is in an unstable environment, such as a church, school, or other commercial location.


Let's not pollute a buyer's mind with hype.

Where are all the Yamaha owners [or those of others] complaining here about the instability of their pianos?
My guess is that 99% of Piano Forum posters have pianos at their homes and not at a church, school, or commercial location.



True. But I think it's fair to assume that a large percentage of posters here are also interested in somewhat empirical evidence regarding how two different pianos would stand up side by side in the same environment over the long term, and that this kind of info would most likely influence their choice when it comes time to purchase.
My piano at home certainly doesn't take the same beating as the pianos in a post secondary music school, but I like the fact that I feel confident that my piano at home HAS the durability to stay consistent over the long term, even in an abusive and less controlled environment. I think 99% of piano buyers would care about that.
I agree. My post was in response to the "Where are all the Yamaha owners...." question.

It's certainly true that any action components that are not made of wood are going to be more stable than corresponding wooden components. And that this difference is most important in unstable environments,

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Re: Kawai vs Yamaha [Re: SonatainfSharp] #2596471
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Originally Posted by SonatainfSharp
Interesting, I just played a bunch of new Yamaha and Kawai grands a few weeks ago, and aside from one abnormally bright Kawai GL40 (I think the dealer let the "new guy" screw with it), the Yamahas were still much brighter than the Kawai pianos...so unless my information was outdated as of three weeks ago, I do still find them brighter.

I used to teach for a studio with many campuses, all having Yamaha grands. I never liked one. These weren't high-end Yamahas, though, mind you.


If you haven't played the CX series grand pianos, you really don't have a basis for making an opinion on Yamaha's new direction. The CX are Yamaha's most recent designs and carry their latest tonal ethos. If you were playing uprights and low-end consumer grands, they are not part of the new tonal ethos.

If you have played the CX series and think they are vastly brighter than the GX series, I think you should see an audiologist! You may have been somewhat influenced by the difference in action. The Kawai action is heavier. It requires more effort to get to the bright portion of the tonal. The Yamaha is lighter and it's easier to find yourself playing louder and brighter if you are used to playing heavier actions - which most Kawai enthusiasts are. These differences confirm what biases already possess.

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Re: Kawai vs Yamaha [Re: leel] #2596688
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If this was true, a very high percent of all the posts on the Piano Forum(those asking for opinions about or comparisons of pianos)would be pointless.


Questions are fine but as has been forever showing on this board, there are all kinds of variable answers to same questions. Including many which may be irrelevant to assessing "near same" products.

There's also a difference in pointing out technical data - be they of real advantage or not - and the experience, i.e. "inner connection" players are making with an instrument.

In our almost 40 years experience, this is where things are really at definitely guaranteeing longest type satisfaction. Plus giving "respect" to others' perception.
IMHO very important and sometimes hard to learn by the various sales folks out there.

Personal satisfaction of course long after the details or "explanations of technical data" are forgotten. It's not something that "takes away" but actually helps to empower buyers to make decisions of their own.

Quite possibly a "typical salesman's" and "all his reasons" nightmare...

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Re: Kawai vs Yamaha [Re: Norbert] #2596702
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Originally Posted by Norbert
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If this was true, a very high percent of all the posts on the Piano Forum(those asking for opinions about or comparisons of pianos)would be pointless.


Questions are fine but as has been forever showing on this board, there are all kinds of variable answers to same questions.
The fact that there are variable answers is not the point. You stated that people should make their decisions about buying a piano by themselves. I think that very often this is not a good idea and people realize this for the reasons I mentioned earlier and many other reasons. That is why they ask so many questions at dealers and on the Piano Forum.

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Re: Kawai vs Yamaha [Re: Rickster] #2596713
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Originally Posted by Rickster
Originally Posted by Scott McBain
If I was not a Kawai dealer, I would try and be a Yamaha dealer and vice a versa! Two of the easist pianos to sell (and not make a lot of money doing it!)

Sorry, Scott, I just don't buy the "not make a lot of money doing it" statement. I know piano dealers have overhead and expenses, but I think most piano dealers do very well.


Speaking of stores that sell both new Kawai and new Yamaha, the only one that I am aware of went out of business.

That was during the Great Recession, but still you'd think a Yamaha/Kawai dealer in the heart of the Chinese immigrant bastion of the San Gabriel Valley could make a go of it no matter how hard the times.


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! I've never played a CF or S series Yamaha so I can't compare their flagship products.


I owned an S6 for 9 years . My S6 from '97 saw a lot of practice hours in my home, prior to acquiring my D, so consequently it tended to get bright often. However after a voicing it was a beautiful sounding piano and played like butter. It sounded like the voice of God in the living room with our hardwood floors and the higher angled ceiling.
Really something to hear. I highly miss it. frown

I've played the CF6 on maybe a half dozen occasions since it was released. Even nicer sounding then the S series. If I were fortunate enough to be in the position to buy a 7' piano, the CF6 would be in the running along with a Steinway B and a Fazioli 212. It's that good.

Kawais are outstanding pianos as well. Can't recall that I've ever played a bad grand, or even an upright, with their name on it. Tonally, it's just not my thing - that is given the choice between the two.


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Re: Kawai vs Yamaha [Re: leel] #2596727
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Kawais are outstanding pianos as well. Can't recall that I've ever played a bad grand, or even an upright, with their name on it. Tonally, it's just not my thing - that is given the choice between the two.


I recently played and quite liked the new GX series and was equally impressed with the new Yamaha CX series.

They are really all very nice pianos but if actually "buying" I would spend more time comparing them to everything else in same/similar price range.

For example, there may even be some higher rated pianos "close by" or
some 7' grands for same price.

So, comparing only one or two options rarely ever really make the cut.

How else does one really know getting the piano of your dreams?

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Re: Kawai vs Yamaha [Re: ando] #2596820
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Originally Posted by ando
[quote=SonatainfSharp]You may have been somewhat influenced by the difference in action.

Just like moving an upright away from the wall makes the action feel lighter, and fastening a blanket to the back of an upright makes the action feel sluggish, yes.

I often have other people play whatever they can before I play a piano sometimes, so that I am not influenced by the action, etc. smile

As far as seeing an audiologist, I have for other reasons. I can hear dogwhistles. I can hear the electronics of the TV's whining when I walk into a Best Buy. It's no fun. Maybe the "brightness" I hear is other parts of the piano resonating on a Yamaha that doesn't on a Kawai?


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Re: Kawai vs Yamaha [Re: leel] #2596857
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Hello SonatainFSharp,
Indeed! In fact it would seem that your sensitive ear and extensive music background would make you better qualified than most of us to express your opinion on piano tone.

Merry Christmas!

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Re: Kawai vs Yamaha [Re: Dave Ferris] #2596898
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Originally Posted by Dave Ferris
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Kawais are outstanding pianos as well. Can't recall that I've ever played a bad grand, or even an upright, with their name on it. Tonally, it's just not my thing - that is given the choice between the two.

That pretty much describes my feelings on the matter. I think Kawais are very nice pianos, but tonally they aren't quite the right fit for me. A great Yamaha just feels more tonally sweet than a great Kawai for me. I also find the feel of the Yamaha action is more to my liking. I get more tired playing Kawai actions. I love the liquid touch of a well regulated Yamaha. A lot of that is based on what we grew up learning to play - a preference for heavier actions is almost always the result of playing heavier actions during the early phases of learning. I also had problems with tendonitis for a while and during that time, playing a Kawai was very aggravating for me, where the Yamaha wasn't. Still, I recognise that these are very personal needs and preferences and don't apply to everybody.

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Originally Posted by ando
Originally Posted by SonatainfSharp
Interesting, I just played a bunch of new Yamaha and Kawai grands a few weeks ago, and aside from one abnormally bright Kawai GL40 (I think the dealer let the "new guy" screw with it), the Yamahas were still much brighter than the Kawai pianos...so unless my information was outdated as of three weeks ago, I do still find them brighter.

I used to teach for a studio with many campuses, all having Yamaha grands. I never liked one. These weren't high-end Yamahas, though, mind you.


If you haven't played the CX series grand pianos, you really don't have a basis for making an opinion on Yamaha's new direction. The CX are Yamaha's most recent designs and carry their latest tonal ethos. If you were playing uprights and low-end consumer grands, they are not part of the new tonal ethos.




I think this is true, although while you say "if you were playing uprights", i'd suggest that it largely depends on what uprights you were playing. I have a YUS5, and tonally it's a very different animal to the U3, despite sharing much of the same architecture. There's much more depth and warmth to the sound, especially at the lower end, and I'd suggest that the approach around the YUS series generally has a lot in common with the CX series grands

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Kawais are outstanding pianos as well. Can't recall that I've ever played a bad grand, or even an upright, with their name on it. Tonally, it's just not my thing - that is given the choice between the two.


I recently played and quite liked the new GX series and was equally impressed with the new Yamaha CX series.

They are really all very nice pianos but if actually "buying" I would spend more time comparing them to everything else in same/similar price range.

For example, there may even be some higher rated pianos "close by" or
some 7' grands for same price.

So, comparing only one or two options rarely ever really make the cut.

How else does one really know getting the piano of your dreams?

Norbert


I'd completely agree with this too. There are so many more good choices for the piano buyer now than 20 years ago. When I bought my first piano in the mid 90s, it was almost true to say that if you didn't have a tier 1 budget, there weren't many companies other than Kawai and Yamaha who were building pianos that wee actually any good. Now there's so much more choice. There are some good choices coming out of Eastern Europe, and some of the better Chinese pianos now offer really good value in a way that wasn't the case not that long ago.

If someone is looking to spend a lot of money on a piano (and I think for most buyers, the purchase is a lot of money to them regardless of the price point they're buying at) they really do need to look at all of the options before splashing the cash. It just so happened that for me, having spend six months searching, a Yamaha was the right choice. . . . . . .which I suppose also says where I stand on the subject of this thread.

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I think AJF hit the nail on the head. The most significant advantage that the Kawai action has is when it is in an unstable environment, such as a church, school, or other commercial location.


Let's not pollute a buyer's mind with hype.

Where are all the Yamaha owners [or those of others] complaining here about the instability of their pianos?

P.S. Evrybody knows it's not the action but the soundboard that creates the most obvious changes for pianos in tough climates. Especially with large changes in humidity.

Actions,especially when built right, are hardly ever affected by this, at least outside tropical climates.

Norbert


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In contrast, composite materials are much more stable. In universities, WN&G parts are something like heroin to resident piano techs: there's no going back to wood once they have given the composite parts a try. They find the differences dramatic, not incidental.

Side note: Kawai does NOT have composite hammer shanks (at least not last time I checked.)



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Re: Kawai vs Yamaha [Re: SonatainfSharp] #2597020
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Originally Posted by SonatainfSharp
Originally Posted by ando
[quote=SonatainfSharp]You may have been somewhat influenced by the difference in action.

Just like moving an upright away from the wall makes the action feel lighter, and fastening a blanket to the back of an upright makes the action feel sluggish, yes.

I often have other people play whatever they can before I play a piano sometimes, so that I am not influenced by the action, etc. smile

As far as seeing an audiologist, I have for other reasons. I can hear dogwhistles. I can hear the electronics of the TV's whining when I walk into a Best Buy. It's no fun. Maybe the "brightness" I hear is other parts of the piano resonating on a Yamaha that doesn't on a Kawai?


This actually contradicts my experience in comparing Yamaha and Kawai as Kawais typically emphasize a LOT more pronounced overtones in their sound than Yamahas which definitely emphasize the fundamental tone more. Your description of your own hearing suggests to me that Kawai's sound should bother you a lot more than Yamaha's.
But then who knows. We're all different.



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I think one's individual hearing has a lot to do with it. I find some pianos almost intolerable due to the disturbing overtones, while other people find them lovely. Yet my hearing is not perfect according to medical examination, certain frequencies I hear a bit more poorly with the other ear.

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I liken them to Lexus and Infinity. (I'm an infinity man!)


I would consider Yamaha to be the Toyota under the pianos (with its high class models to be the Lexuses) while Kawai is more like Nissan. Personally, I haven't met a Kawai I liked, it is not my cup of tea, while some Yamahas are pretty good and reliable on their level. I can't say much about the Shigeru Kawai (the higher level Kawais) so I would reserve judgement on those. Obviously, there are brands which I would consider above both families.


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Kawai and Yamaha currently make some of the finest high-end hand built pianos in the World. There is no step above the Yamaha CFX or Shigeru Kawai SK-EX. I like the fact that Yamaha don't change the name of their cheaper pianos, as I dislike the type of brand snobbery based on the price of a company's cheapest piano.

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Surely they're level-peg gears and, having just recommended a C7 (after loads of playing in new CX models) I'd go with Yamaha. They are sometimes still set up 'bright', it seems to me, but are inherently more mellow than a new C7M was back in the day.

I am a jazzer. Yamaha action and sound seems to suit me.

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