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Re: Stride Piano [Re: john fh] #2598106
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What do you mean by "Funny question". Every one is not into jazz and many, as I, know almost nothing about it.

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My mistake!
Originally Posted by john f
What do you mean by "Funny question". Every one is not into jazz and many, as I, know almost nothing about it.


If you say this, then who can argue with you? If you mean that he never heard the rhythm of bossa nova; purely statistically  it will cause considerable doubt:  bossa nova began 64 years ago, and since the late 50's went around the world, even to those countries where there was a cultural censorship ( I myself  born and raised in such ). With the advent of Internet cross-cultural influence became very strong, and a wide variety of genres and rhythms broke into the traditional musical culture - through YouTube, radio, TV, CD-s, and social networks. So, I go out from the assumption that you already have the experience of hearing jazz and Latin jazz, even if you do not play it. Nothing is easier to write in Google "latin jazz artists" or "Afro-Cuban jazz" to learn about the cooperation of musicians from Latin America and jazzers from United States . So the question "whether are played many jazz musicians the Latin jazz ? " in my opinion strange - maybe it's more accurate word.

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Originally Posted by Nahum
If you say this, then who can argue with you? If you mean that he never heard the rhythm of bossa nova; purely statistically  it will cause considerable doubt:  bossa nova began 64 years ago, and since the late 50's went around the world, even to those countries where there was a cultural censorship ( I myself  born and raised in such ). With the advent of Internet cross-cultural influence became very strong, and a wide variety of genres and rhythms broke into the traditional musical culture - through YouTube, radio, TV, CD-s, and social networks. So, I go out from the assumption that you already have the experience of hearing jazz and Latin jazz, even if you do not play it. Nothing is easier to write in Google "latin jazz artists" or "Afro-Cuban jazz" to learn about the cooperation of musicians from Latin America and jazzers from United States . So the question "whether are played many jazz musicians the Latin jazz ? " in my opinion strange - maybe it's more accurate word.


I have no idea which comment this is in response to.

It is best to include the comment (in a quote) when it might not be clear.



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Re: Stride Piano [Re: dmd] #2598381
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You guys ever heard Dick Wellstood or Eric Lipskin...those guys can stride like a boss! Art Tatum and Teddy Roosevelt or also stride masters!


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Re: Stride Piano [Re: ClassicalMan] #2598401
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Originally Posted by ClassicalMan
You guys ever heard Dick Wellstood or Eric Lipskin...
I know Mike Lipskin.

Re: Stride Piano [Re: ClassicalMan] #2598408
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Originally Posted by ClassicalMan
... Teddy Roosevelt or also stride masters!


Yup. You have to wonder when he got time to practice, being president and all

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Originally Posted by Hidden son of Teddy Wilson
Originally Posted by ClassicalMan
... Teddy Roosevelt or also stride masters!


Yup. You have to wonder when he got time to practice, being president and all


Truman and Nixon played quite well. The Eisenhowers had a piano, but I don't know who in the family played. The Obamas have a piano in the residence, I think it's for the daughters.



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Re: Stride Piano [Re: john fh] #2598443
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I meant Teddy Wilson!


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Teddy, organizer of the legendary Rough Striders.

Sorry ClassicalMan, couldn't resist! laugh

Re: Stride Piano [Re: john fh] #2598560
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I think stride is one of the best left hand techniques ever, sounds great.

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It can make you tired quickly....unless you're Art Tatum


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Re: Stride Piano [Re: john fh] #2599101
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Originally Posted by john f
I think stride is one of the best left hand techniques ever, sounds great.

Yes, sounds great and can be used in a lot of things. But, you wouldn't want to use in everything, or not in a bunch of different repertoire in a row.

I always think in terms of playing for an audience, even though I never have. I guess it was my Dad's influence who had a trio and scheduled sets.

The only problem with stride is that it is dated and everything can start to sound the same if it is used to much.

It's fun to use though and very versatile. It should not be tiring to play. If it is, something isn't quite right.


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Received my Stride Piano Tricks by Ari Kast yesterday. Looks good. I think I will be busy for awhile. Maybe for a long time. LOL

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I have the Ari Kast book...lots of stuff to digest...not for those who want to learn overnight.

The question is we need a protocol explaining how to learn a stride piece. Fats Waller and Tatum played their pieces at incredible break neck tempo. I'm learning this pieces called "Ain't misbehavin'' " in a book by Judy Carmichael ...the piece is at about 123 bpm.

I guess what I'll do is continue using the metronome and increasing the speed until I get it. Waller and Tatum lived during that era when swing and stride were popular so it much easier for them. Nowadays we're bombarded by all kinds other music so it makes it a little more difficult to play in the stride style.

This thread has already begun to help considering I did not know the pedal should not be used on stride!

I'm also using the Hanon stride book! Thanks guys


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Re: Stride Piano [Re: ClassicalMan] #2599351
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Originally Posted by ClassicalMan
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The question is we need a protocol explaining how to learn a stride piece. Fats Waller and Tatum played their pieces at incredible break neck tempo.

Yes, but you don't have to.
Originally Posted by ClassicalMan

Nowadays we're bombarded by all kinds other music so it makes it a little more difficult to play in the stride style.

There are more choices now musically, but little difference otherwise. Stride has always and will always be around. Just not always applied as it could be.
Originally Posted by ClassicalMan

This thread has already begun to help considering I did not know the pedal should not be used on stride!

Not sure where you saw this. I use pedal all the time. Here is a piece I recorded for the bar a while back. I'm just posting now to demonstrate using plenty of pedal. With faster stride maybe not, but I've never been crazy about fast anything and usually play a slower stride that needs pedal.




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Here's a tune I played...all critique is welcome...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcATAn18yNc


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Re: Stride Piano [Re: john fh] #2599412
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In terms of stride, there is very little in it to critique.

Joplin does often use a lot of stride, but it is a much different feel then standards would be, or classical of course. All would use it, but it is still way different in each context.

I'm not familiar enough with rags to offer much. Sounded nice.

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Go to You Tube and search for the fantastic Anthony Molinaro tutorial on Stride Piano.

Well worth the 30 min...

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Re: Stride Piano [Re: john fh] #2599564
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Couldn't resist posting this track from the great Count Basie at Montreux with Ray Brown in 1977. As a demonstration of Basie's talent at the Piano later in his career its one of the best. And there is some fast stride Piano just over 3 mins in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvN2h9QzCPM

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In the Ari Kast book he say's to stay off of the pedal for the most part, that the quite space is good. I have read somewhere else,the pedal is needed when you play the bass note and held until you hit the chord and then you up the pedal and depress it again for the next base note. This was said to be necessary to keep the bass note ringing until the chord chimed in. I guess our ears are the boss on this one.

I agree with Greener on speed. I too have never liked fast music or loud music much. And I might add, if you loose the melody of the song jazzing it up you are out of the ball game in my opinion.

I also agree this book is not for overnight learning. However, it seems to be on the money and if one could perform using all information in the book they would really sound great. I hope to do so if I live long enough. Starting the book at 78 years of age might be a limiting factor. LOL

I have the Stride Hanon and plan to use it too. Looks good like the Hanon. I believe the Hanon really helped me before so I have hopes for the Stride Hahon. I suffer from ever ache and pain any older person has experienced. I just ignore them and let the doctor worry about it.

It is now one hour into 2017 so I need to get to work.

HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE.


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