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End of Days oratorio, 3rd movement #2583967
11/03/16 09:37 AM
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So I debated posting this since it's not a piano piece at all (there's no piano in it anywhere!). However, it was composed at the piano partially, and I did play all of it into my DAW (Logic Pro X) via MIDI on my MP11, so that counts, right? wink

Everything is with virtual instruments, including the choir, except for the solo voices. I did overdub singing on the choral parts as well to make it sound more realistic.

https://app.box.com/s/dnb4gi2ktcjl9khepygpra928as7vxoi

This movement occurs in the middle of the oratorio (5 movements total), and comes after the Day of Wrath 2nd movement, so I needed a big contrast with that.

I welcome feedback, especially constructive criticism that will help me with future pieces.


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Re: End of Days oratorio, 3rd movement [Re: Morodiene] #2584041
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What counts is it's awfully good! Would of course sound better with real instruments (and a real choir?), but the sampled orchestra is OK, and the soloist is *not bad* either. Would like the libretto so we can really get the gist (I know Mighty Fortress, but still couldn't hear any words, even with headphones. Louder voice in mix?). If it had been labled "Orotorio by John Rutter", I would have believed it. Bravo!


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Re: End of Days oratorio, 3rd movement [Re: Morodiene] #2584061
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Bravo Morodiene! I would love to hear the entire work some day... heart

Re: End of Days oratorio, 3rd movement [Re: Morodiene] #2584072
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Thank you! A Mighty Fortress is actually in German "Ein Feste Burg" so perhaps that's why it was hard to understand wink

Here is the text:

First part taken from Revelation 14:7:
Fear God and give him glory, for the hour of judgment has come. And praise him who made heaven, earth, the sea and the springs of water.
Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on. That they may rest from their labors.

Then John 3:16:
For God so loved the world that he gave his only son,
that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Then Ein Feste Burg (hymn by Martin Luther):

Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott, --- Our God is a secure fortress,
Ein gute Wehr und Waffen; --- a good shield and weapon;
Er hilft uns frei aus aller Not, --- He helps us willingly out of all troubles,
Die uns itzt hat betroffen. --- that now have encountered us.
Der alte böse Feind, --- The old, evil enemy
Mit Ernst er's jetzt meint, --- is earnestly bent on it,
Groß Macht und viel List --- great strength and much deceit
Sein grausam Rüstung ist, --- are his horrid armaments,
Auf Erd ist nicht seinsgleichen. --- there is nothing like him on earth.









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Re: End of Days oratorio, 3rd movement [Re: dogperson] #2584123
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Originally Posted by dogperson
Bravo Morodiene! I would love to hear the entire work some day... heart


Me too! smile

I've got 4 out of 5 movements mostly completed now, and working on the 5th. Hope to have that finished yet this year. I'm pretty slow when it comes to composing.


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Re: End of Days oratorio, 3rd movement [Re: Morodiene] #2584417
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Hi Erin,

I would like to congratulate you for this amazing accomplishment! You know that I know (and everyone knows... teeheehee) how difficult it is to produce a decent recording with samples, let alone one that sounds so good as yours do. And you did it!

If you wish I can, but not now unfortunately, delve a little deeper on a few (negative, but hopefully constructive) thoughts about the work itself. It's mainly about it's harmonic language and general ideas on orchestration, if I may...

On the positive, I'm very happy to report that the form works great, the production works very well and your voice is simply marvelous. The fact that you've (almost) completed 20 or more minutes of orchestrated music and you are producing the mockup yourself speaks tons about you and your dedication to this!

So regardless of the previous to the previous (!!!) paragraph, I say that this thread deserves a gold medal and so do you!

Re: End of Days oratorio, 3rd movement [Re: Morodiene] #2584429
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Nikolas, thank you for the complements. A part of me feels that this piece is completed (I'm not one who edits for eternity), so unwilling at this point to change anything compositionally - but I do appreciate thoughts on how I could improve for future work. The more I learn, the better.


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Re: End of Days oratorio, 3rd movement [Re: Morodiene] #2584851
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Wow, Morodiene! That was beautiful! I'd pay to hear that live! I'd love to hear the rest of it, for context (and, presumably, to enjoy more beautiful music if this movement is any indication!) Nice work!!!

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Re: End of Days oratorio, 3rd movement [Re: Morodiene] #2584985
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Thanks, Andy! There's a possibility that I can get it premiered in Chicago, I'll let you know, if that ever comes to fruition smile


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Originally Posted by Morodiene
Thanks, Andy! There's a possibility that I can get it premiered in Chicago, I'll let you know, if that ever comes to fruition smile
WOW! Awesome news! Congratulations for the connection and networking and worth (and luck?).

Let us know how it goes, though chances are that it's a bit too far for me.

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Originally Posted by Morodiene
Thanks, Andy! There's a possibility that I can get it premiered in Chicago, I'll let you know, if that ever comes to fruition smile


Please post premier information for all of us on the forum as soon as you have that information

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Originally Posted by dogperson
Originally Posted by Morodiene
Thanks, Andy! There's a possibility that I can get it premiered in Chicago, I'll let you know, if that ever comes to fruition smile


Please post premier information for all of us on the forum as soon as you have that information


Will do - if anything actually comes of this!


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Re: End of Days oratorio, 3rd movement [Re: Morodiene] #2585392
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Didn't have the chance to listen to it until today. First of all - I'm impressed. As far as I can judge it is very well composed and the instrumentation sounds excellent. A bit surprised to hear used "Ein fester Burg" as part of an American contemporary oratory. It would fit very well into our northern European Lutheran tradition, and your musical language is also quite similar to what I would have expected from one of our own church musicians. Not meant as a hint of lacking originality - I think you display lots of creativity here. I hope that I'll have the chance to hear the rest as soon as it is available.

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Ganddalf: actually, that hymn exists in American churches as "A Mighty Fortress is Our God", but many do not know its German origins. It wasn't planned to have that in there, but when it came time for the chorus to come in, it just fit so I ran with it. smile


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And a very fine arrangement of Ein Feste Burg, (minor key, etc.), too! A departure from the usual 4/4 Bach arrangement reminded me of the hop-skip irrthym of the pre-Bach tune still used by congregations in Missouri Synod Lutheran Churches (ours recently converted to Bach, thank God). Your little bit of of syncopation was welcome (early upbeat next to last line, Sein). Have you heard or consulted the old tune, or did you reinvent it?

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Originally Posted by doctor S
And a very fine arrangement of Ein Feste Burg, (minor key, etc.), too! A departure from the usual 4/4 Bach arrangement reminded me of the hop-skip irrthym of the pre-Bach tune still used by congregations in Missouri Synod Lutheran Churches (ours recently converted to Bach, thank God). Your little bit of of syncopation was welcome (early upbeat next to last line, Sein). Have you heard or consulted the old tune, or did you reinvent it?

Yes, I had used the old version of it, and while I didn't follow the time signature changes, I did have my own.

I wanted this to be a tip of the hat to Bach and Martin Luther, so that's why you can hear a bit of both versions. smile


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