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Baldwin Hamilton--1985-86...just purchased #2583432 11/01/16 03:34 PM
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Hello,
New to the forum. I just purchased a mid 80s, Baldwin Hamilton Studio piano (dark walnut) in really nice condition for $2000 from a dealer. It's very clean inside and out. This included tuning in store, moving and another tuning at my home when I'm ready. I hope I didnt overpay too much. I was eager and nothing on my local Craigslist looked all that great. I really didn't want to go through the hassle of finding a tech to take w me to inspect a potential purchase and also finding capable movers, etc.

My particular Baldwin Hamilton has serial # 397178 and is Model: 253. I can't seem to find any info (or pictures) of this particular style on the Internet. Based on the serial # it appears to be born in 1986. It has 2 square, screened sound holes on the front (which I find to be a nice feature) and which seem slightly more decorative for this make considering they were mostly designed for schools and churches.

Any opinions or information regarding this model and/or Baldwin Hamiltons in general would be greatly appreciated. I'm digging the piano. It's my first and am excited about delving in w lessons and self learning. YouTube is a great wellspring for this!

Is there a Baldy Ham club I could join on here?

Thanks!
Andrew

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Re: Baldwin Hamilton--1985-86...just purchased [Re: Flowerdoodle] #2583437 11/01/16 03:59 PM
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congratulations. have spent many hours with that model of baldwin in college practice cubicles. solid all around. if it has any quirks, you'll learn in time as you live with it and use it -- they were made in such huge numbers, there are some that the factory just had a bad day, or a particular batch of parts or lumber was a touch substandard. it's a work horse and if you like blues, gospel, rock/pop piano it will respond pretty well ; o.t.o.h. if you're more the rachmaninoff/scriabin type, you might benefit from having a technician tweak the action and voicing.

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Congratulations on the Baldwin/Hamilton 243 studio upright. I owned one for a few years and really enjoyed it.

I sold mine too cheap, ($750) and it was a mid 1980s model. But I'm not a dealer. If you add moving and a couple of tunings, you still come out okay, if the piano is in good condition.

Of course, the story of my life is buy high and sell cheap; I'd never make it in the piano business. smile

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Not too bad a price, considering they're including tuning/moving, and that it's in excellent condition. You could find one on craigslist for somewhat cheaper, but there'd be no assurance that it was clean and sound (not to mention tuning/moving). You'll enjoy it!

The Hamiltons are some of the best budget pianos out there. They're built really well, and sound pretty good (also they're a bit lighter than some pianos). Sometimes I miss mine -- it was in great shape and I sold it for $74 (times were tough then... and there was no craigslist or ebay).

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the hamiltons from my undergrad days were made in the 60s and built for heavy duty use and getting moved around. [in concept, the studio size consoles are stage and rehearsal instruments intended to be moved about rehearsal or performance areas]. played one made in the 80s-90s at the vacation cottage we rented, and it had slimmed down from the ones earlier. every one in my experience over the years had a fairly heavy to heavy action.

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Thanks for the comments. I'm happy with it so far. I wish I could figure out how to upload some pics.

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Originally Posted by Flowerdoodle
Thanks for the comments. I'm happy with it so far. I wish I could figure out how to upload some pics.

Try this...

Uploading pictures to Piano World fourm threads...

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That looks like a really clean piano!


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That piano is definitely nicer looking than the one I sold. If the insides are in as good a condition as the outside, you did good!! thumb

Congrats again!

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Thanks for your warm and helpful replies Rickster, Steve, Jethro and Huaidongxi! Much appreciated.

Now to start learning how to play! Going to look for a teacher. What's the going rate for lessons these days?

So far I've learned the obligatory Bach Predlude in C.

Also attempting to learn:
*Moonlight Sonata (first movement)
*Bachs Minuet in G (Petzold)
*Turkish March (main bit)
Any other suggestions on easy classical pieces to learn?

I dont want my journey into piano to turn into my usual trap tactic (guitar) of "learning a bunch of parts of things" and never digging in and fully learning the whole piece. I tend to get bored after struggling w a piece and move on to the next thing. I really want to learn proper technique and do this correctly. I'm 39. I have no fantasy of becoming great but would like to play for my own enjoyment and reach a level of competency.

My saving grace is that I have a fine ear and can pick up things innately. I don't read music very well at all. I know the rudiments. I struggle w reading notes above and below the visible staff. I don't want to take piano lessons where the teacher begins with "This is called a staff. this is a bass clef. This is a treble clef. This is called a quarter note". I guess a good instructor will gague what you know and follow accordingly.

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You did well! congrats!


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Thank you! I love it. Very excited.

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Congratulations. Check out the Adult Beginners Forum and the Piano Teachers forums, both also here on PianoWorld.



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Thank you, friend. Aside from basic knowledge of music theory, what would you say I should focus on as a beginning player. I'm guessing it's 'learning the scales' (major, minor) and the correct fingering of them.

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Originally Posted by Flowerdoodle
Aside from basic knowledge of music theory, what would you say I should focus on as a beginning player. I'm guessing it's 'learning the scales' (major, minor) and the correct fingering of them.

Well, the way I see it, you have about 4 directions in which to proceed; formal lessons, informal lessons, combination of formal and informal, and play-by-ear. Some here use the term "self-taught", but in reality, we all learn something from others. So, I don't think there is a such thing as "completely self-taught".

As for me, I chose the "play-by-ear" semi-self-taught method. My approach is fraught with what the formalist call "bad habits"; some think my unique "by-ear" playing is appalling; others seem to like it.

Since one of my "appalling" music videos on YouTube has over 1.5 million views, I figure there may be a demand for "appalling" piano playing. grin

So, my advice to you in regards to learning to play the piano... decide which route, or combinations of routes you want to take.

Learning key scales and basic chord combinations is a great place to start, lessons or not.

My 13 year old granddaughter was taking formal piano lessons for about 3 years. Her teacher did not want her to attempt to play anything at all by ear; all by written music, and would scold her if she attempted to learn anything by ear. After 3 years of lessons, she lost interest and is no longer taking piano lessons. I was so sorry to hear that.

In my view, learning to play the piano should be fun, although it can be hard work. Never take the "fun-factor" out of piano playing.

Good luck, whatever you decide to do! smile

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Nice piano, I would recommend you join the adult beginner and we would all suggest you get lessons from teacher, who will guide you. Looking at your list, some looks advance from where u might be. I have had teacher for over 4 years, best investment ever for in learning to play the piano, properly. Lots and lots of patience and practice, and you will be rewarded for your efforts!


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I definitely will find a teacher. Cost is a concern but worst comes to worser I'll do bi-weekly lessons. I agree that a teacher would be the best route for me. Until then I will continue w learning the major scales and a few basic pieces. I think I may also buy the Alfred basic adult beginner 1 book too.
Thanks all!

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I own at 1999 Baldwin Hamilton and really like it. great instrument bought it new. It has been moved three times and has held up. Note I had it moved professionally everytime. I feel strongly you did the right thing and I agree you need to take lessons. I am 60 years old and taking to fix my bad habits. The lessons are really worth it. I wish you well in your journey.

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Originally Posted by Flowerdoodle
My particular Baldwin Hamilton has serial # 397178 and is Model: 253. I can't seem to find any info (or pictures) of this particular style on the Internet. Based on the serial # it appears to be born in 1986. It has 2 square, screened sound holes on the front (which I find to be a nice feature) and which seem slightly more decorative for this make considering they were mostly designed for schools and churches.

Any opinions or information regarding this model and/or Baldwin Hamiltons in general would be greatly appreciated. I'm digging the piano. It's my first and am excited about delving in w lessons and self learning. YouTube is a great wellspring for this!

If you know how to do this safely, remove the bottom panel and try to find the design number of the piano. It will be either 743-4 or 743-5 and it will be cast into the string frame. (Possibly shown as 743/4 or 743/5.)

The piano was redesigned in the mid-1980s. It would be interesting to know which version you have.

ddf

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