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Memory lapse screwed up my attempt to record Prok's toccata
#2583932 11/03/16 09:13 AM
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So, a week before a super imortant perf. at a festival, I attempted to make a recording of the toccata.

All in all - when I'm nervous, EVERYTHING in this piece feels like it's on the knife's edge. Each and every section, though well-practiced, is prone to a memory lapse.

And the section I did memory lapse in 3 times in a row, was the one in the middle section, right after the end of the climbing broken chords - where the left hand has descending broken thirds over an ostinato G bass and the right hand plays the theme in g minor. The left hand just suddenly forgot what it was supposed to do.

My teacher, who has always been super calm, was genuinely mad for the first time today. I know I can't afford to mess this up.

But I most probably will!

I wanted to post a recording here on the members recordings forum, and now that's [censored] up.

I just want to tell u guys, that if I should fail this perf, I am going to switch to composition.

Because if my nerves can't handle a piece like this, in a situation like this, then How am I supposed to, for example in the future perform Garpard de la nuit for an audience of 2000?

That ain't gonna happen, ever.

Re: Memory lapse screwed up my attempt to record Prok's toccata
CianistAndPomposer #2583945 11/03/16 10:04 AM
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I may not be the best person to offer advice but I'll try anyway. I'm sure you have performed many difficult pieces before without memory problems so this piece has certain passages that are more difficult memory-wise for you.

I not sure it's reasonable to base your entire career on how the performance of this piece goes. I would try and analyze why certain passages are giving you difficulty and get help from your teacher with this. Or ask some pianist friends. Then apply any of the usual memory techniques you use or maybe a new one to help with the particular passages. If only certain parts of the piece cause difficulty, then in a way that's good since you know where to concentrate your effort.

GOOD LUCK!!

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I have this quite often. And not just with the first recording. I had this also when recording something the 10th time. Suddenly some major connection between sections becomes loose

I think this has to do with too much automatic playing and the brain disconnecting from the playing. This happens often when in a stressful situation, when you can't do much with the brain and it therefore disengages too much. It's disengaging because it causes too much harm if it starts interfering with the playing. But also when I over-practice a piece with too much automatic playing. I think the key is to keep the proper amount of (music related) brain activity. Maybe it should focus on the next section connection or so


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I think I've said this before to you, but keep in mind that the first performance of a piece is always rough. (At least, it will seem rough to you, if not to an audience.)

Definitely try recording again! And playing it for friends etc. etc. as much as you can before the festival, so it loses some of the first-performance roughness.

You are more than equal to this piece so be bold and enjoy!!

P.S. the first performance of Gaspard will surely be rough as well, but then you'll perform it another 20 times and THEN you'll be ready to do it for a big audience wink

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Re: Memory lapse screwed up my attempt to record Prok's toccata
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Most likely related to anxiety even though it is exhibited in a brief difficult passage.
Anyone's mind can freeze during a moment of duress. When two or more moments of performance anxiety express themselves with a memory lapse it is best to find a way to reduce your often under appreciated anxiety with any of a number of relaxation exercises. Treat these exercises as a necessary part of piano performance.


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This happens to me! My teacher got mad at me too before a performance! Basically he told me I was relying too much on muscle memory in my fingers and when you get nervous that can just all go out the window and you just go blank completely forgetting and thinking of nothing emptiness in your head. This also happens to me when I try to record myself with my phone. From now on I try to work harder at actually understanding what I'm doing on the piano rather than muscle memory. Think about the theory and make sure you can pick out any section and play it isolated from the song. I noticed I couldn't do that when I had too much muscle memory. I'd always have to start at the beginning of a cadence and couldn't start just anywhere. even when you know the song by memory and don't need music my teacher said you should still practice with the sheet music like practice one hand at a time still and really look at what your doing so if your brain goes blank, you just know what to do.


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