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I posted this in the teachers forum as well as some of my question has to do with what's possible but, in any event. I'd also welcome any thoughts from this group as well.

Hello folks, I started at 62 with a teacher and we have our 5 year anniversary of working together next month. He seems to think I can reach RCM 8. in the next few years. I've learned on a Roland Fp7 and get to play the best piano in the small town I live in, a Kawai Rx3 at a local church from time to time

I live in a cold and damp part of Alaska and have limited opportunity to play various makes and models other than Kawai, Yamaha, and ocasionaly a home Steinway. None of my family including grandchildren are interested in playing the piano. So not looking for an heirloom.

I don't want to throw money away but I have worked for what I've got so don't mind spending it on something I will enjoy but what will I enjoy when I reach my peak and age starts taking me (at best) a step back for each step forward? Anything more than $35,000 seems self indulgent since my heirs could never regain anywhere close to that but will I even appreciate more than a $15-20,000 instrument?

I've learned on a Roland Fp7 and get to play a Kawai Rx3 from time to time. I like playing grand pianos and have room for up to 7.5 but room acoustics only would need less than 7. We bring tuners down from Anchorage but it's a bit of a project.At some point Id like to get myself a really satisfying acoustic grand. Something "right" for me and my location and ability.

I've thought of getting more than I can use and then leave it to an organization in town for community use but the one church player I might donate it to for her Church is as old as I am and the younger players in town prefer digitals.

Without a clearer idea I'm afraid I'll just shop till I drop or take the easier route of buying a V piano, Avant-Grande or NW acclimated Yamaha. All excellent but a bit soul less.

Any ideas, suggestions, speculations or thoughts regarding brand, price, philosophy etc. appreciated.

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I would use the free database in the Piano Buyer(see left column). You can enter a price range for the SMP and an estimated discount to fit your budget(you need to read the pricing information to understand this), and you'll get a list of all the pianos and models fitting those criteria. I'm not sure if the PB prices are valid for Alaska, but you can at least get some idea of possibilities.

Do you plan to buy locally or are you considering a non-local purchase? If locally my guess is your choice will be limited but if non locally your budget permits a huge variety of choices.

In terms of appreciating a more than 20K piano, nothing can be assured. But even if you can't hear/feel the difference at first, it's quite possible that you would hear/feel the difference with more time on the piano and as your piano skill improves. Also be aware that coming from a digital almost any grand may sound extremely good at first.

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I've looked in Anchorage and I watch Craigs List but the choices are limited. New Yamaha's. Bosendorfers, or used Steniways/Bostons from when we had a distributor here. I have a friend who is an exceptional amateur who has offered to go around the Seattle stores with me. Logistics are such that the shipping from lower 48 would likely be equal to the mark-up already built in locally. I've never used the data-base so thank you for pointing me to it.

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I would NOT base anything on what happens after you die. By then, that is not YOUR problem. Enjoy NOW, that's what counts. You earned it.

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Well it sounds like your best bet would be a trip to Seattle to check out some new and used grand pianos. Mason Hamlin grands would definitely be on my list to consider as well as possibly a used Baldwin L (6'3") or Baldwin SF10 (7"). I noticed an very young Mason Hamlin BB for 25.4K on the Seattle Craigslist.

One place near Stanwood Washington you may want to visit is Fandrich & Sons Pianos (http://www.fandrich.com/index.php?&location=home).

BTW I lived in Anchorage for a few years when I was in the Air Force and Alaska remains one of my favorite places, even when it is cold and damp. Good luck

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Yes, Seattle would be a good place to shop for a piano. Also consider traveling to Vancouver and Calgary as well.

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Originally Posted by Rich D.


BTW I lived in Anchorage for a few years when I was in the Air Force and Alaska remains one of my favorite places, even when it is cold and damp. Good luck



Really Rich? I had no idea. That is certainly a far cry from Rehoboth! smile

Kaziranga,

Some travel might go a long way in selection. Almaviva pointed out your brightest stars to consider, which I agree with wholeheartedly. I am looking forward to hearing more about your search. Good Luck!



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Rich,
When you are in the military you go where they send you. I was lucky to get Alaska.

Not sure how the weak Canadian dollar effects buying a new piano and bringing it to the US from Calgary or Vancouver. Oh, and who knows of any reputable piano dealers in Vancouver?? grin

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When you are in the military you go where they send you. I was lucky to get Alaska.

Not sure how the weak Canadian dollar effects buying a new piano and bringing it to the US from Calgary or Vancouver. Oh, and who knows of any reputable piano dealers in Vancouver?? grin

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As an American consumer, the weak Canadian dollar can only help you.

You can try Heritage Pianos in Surrey, B.C., close to Vancouver. They carry Estonia, Ritmuller and Brodmann pianos. (They used to carry Sauter pianos; they might have some Sauter models still in inventory.) 'Norbert', a VERY frequent contributor to this forum, is the owner. grin

The only other piano dealer in Vancouver that I know of is Showcase Pianos. They carry performance-grade pianos like Fazioli, Bechstein and Grotrian. They also carry more modestly-priced pianos like Knabe and the lower-priced Bechstein and Seiler lines.

The only piano dealer in Calgary that I know of is Michael Lipnicki Fine Pianos. They carry high-end pianos like Fazioli, Bechstein, Bluthner and Grotrian. They also carry the consumer-grade Kingsburg line and Bechstein's intermediate-grade W. Hoffmann line.

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Both Tom Lee (Vancouver) and Long & McQuade (Vancouver) sell pianos, as well as other musical instruments. They're large operations -- Tom Lee is international, and L&M is Canada-wide.

They're not "dedicated" piano dealers, but they have both uprights and grands on the floor. Worth phoning or e-mailing.

The Canadian $ is at about 75 cents US right now. So their quoted prices (in $ CDN) will be higher numbers than US prices, but might convert into something cheaper.

If you investigate, please report back. I don't know if they'll sell pianos "offshore", or even over the phone, and that would be interesting to know.

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To add to the names mentioned above:

In Vancouver BC Rod Verhnjak has some rebuilt and new pianos for sale. He is a very fine rebuilder. rod@pianoman.ca is his e-mail.

I have some rebuilt pianos at my shop in Mukilteo I can show you if you are visiting the Seattle area.


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One thing to note about cross-border shopping and the exchange rate.

You can use a US credit card at a Canadian store, and you can use a Canadian credit card at a US store.

But....YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

Credit cards surcharge you between 2% and 3% on top of the exchange rate. The way to avoid this is to exchange your money at a bank and pay with that. Get a money order or cash in the currency that you need. Many banks also surcharge for cash, so a money order might be the best way to go.

On a large purchase like a piano, that 2.5% (average) will add up to significant money.

Personally, I have a US bank account and a US Dollar denominated Visa credit card for online shopping from US based websites and the like. I can do electronic transfers from my Canadian account to the US account and then pay off the credit card bill, all without getting out of my chair.


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There are some credit cards, such as Capital One cards, that do not charge foreign exchange fees.

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Originally Posted by kaziranga
I posted this in the teachers forum as well as some of my question has to do with what's possible but, in any event. I'd also welcome any thoughts from this group as well.

Hello folks, I started at 62 with a teacher and we have our 5 year anniversary of working together next month. He seems to think I can reach RCM 8. in the next few years. I've learned on a Roland Fp7 and get to play the best piano in the small town I live in, a Kawai Rx3 at a local church from time to time

I live in a cold and damp part of Alaska and have limited opportunity to play various makes and models other than Kawai, Yamaha, and ocasionaly a home Steinway. None of my family including grandchildren are interested in playing the piano. So not looking for an heirloom.

I don't want to throw money away but I have worked for what I've got so don't mind spending it on something I will enjoy but what will I enjoy when I reach my peak and age starts taking me (at best) a step back for each step forward? Anything more than $35,000 seems self indulgent since my heirs could never regain anywhere close to that but will I even appreciate more than a $15-20,000 instrument?

I've learned on a Roland Fp7 and get to play a Kawai Rx3 from time to time. I like playing grand pianos and have room for up to 7.5 but room acoustics only would need less than 7. We bring tuners down from Anchorage but it's a bit of a project.At some point Id like to get myself a really satisfying acoustic grand. Something "right" for me and my location and ability.

I've thought of getting more than I can use and then leave it to an organization in town for community use but the one church player I might donate it to for her Church is as old as I am and the younger players in town prefer digitals.

Without a clearer idea I'm afraid I'll just shop till I drop or take the easier route of buying a V piano, Avant-Grande or NW acclimated Yamaha. All excellent but a bit soul less.

Any ideas, suggestions, speculations or thoughts regarding brand, price, philosophy etc. appreciated.


For the money you want to give for acoustic piano, I think Estonia pianos are your best bet. They are hand made, parts coming from the German and England and have traditional europian quality for pianos. Also one information, the price in Pianobuyer for Estonia pianos are not correct. Price are much lower in reality.

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One thing to note about cross-border shopping and the exchange rate.

You can use a US credit card at a Canadian store, and you can use a Canadian credit card at a US store.

But....YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.


FYI - I have a credit card that offers a favorable exchange for international purchases (I use it when I travel) without any surcharge. They do exist.


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If I'm not mistaken, US consumers are protected by banking regulations, and receive the commercial exchange rate in effect the day of the credit/debit card transaction (after all, there is no physical exchange of currencies, only a digital conversion).

Foreign banks are obviously not subject to US rules, so they may [still] be applying surcharges for currency conversion, in which case it would be smart to try to avoid them.

Likewise, it may be smart to buy second hand, to avoid sales tax (which also adds up), and depreciation too.


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Kudos to you for taking up piano and sticking with it too! I'd say buy whatever you like. Some good suggestions above.

I've never been to Alaska, but it's on my bucket list. smile


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Originally Posted by Retsacnal
If I'm not mistaken, US consumers are protected by banking regulations, and receive the commercial exchange rate in effect the day of the credit/debit card transaction (after all, there is no physical exchange of currencies, only a digital conversion).

Foreign banks are obviously not subject to US rules, so they may [still] be applying surcharges for currency conversion, in which case it would be smart to try to avoid them.

Likewise, it may be smart to buy second hand, to avoid sales tax (which also adds up), and depreciation too.


Yes, US credit cards charge the exchange rate on the date of purchase, HOWEvER, unless you have a credit card that specifically exempts it, there is an additional 'transaction fee' added by the bank. Check with your credit card company on the fees applied.

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Cynthia, I had missed you reply. What a great response. Thank you.

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