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Re: Prelude [Re: JoelW] #2569741
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This is interesting, but obviously a computer-generated recording, not played by you or a pianist made of flesh and blood. I wonder if a real pianist could play that piece in such a breathtaking tempo and which piano would be suitable for this.

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It's me playing actually.

Re: Prelude [Re: JoelW] #2578538
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Some kind of reverse Turing test?

Re: Prelude [Re: JoelW] #2579361
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Obviously a computer generated program which would fail the Turing test in the first few seconds. Apart from the impossibility of playing at that speed with a constant and uniform tone ... the missing natural "rubato" and phrasing are dead give-aways.

For me these electronic programs mock the hours I spend actually learning to play a reasonable rendition of my compositions. The practice time and recording time often swallow up much more time and energy than actually composing the darned thing. And when I provide a clean PDF file free to my readers, that gobbles up even more time.

A few days ago I learned how to edit and splice relatively seamlessly after years of "recording all at once" ... and felt guilty as I excised a small segment and "pasted in" an edited replacement.

Now I'm not going to feel guilty about it anymore. laugh

( It's a fun piece of music ... even if only a particularly agile android can play it.)




Re: Prelude [Re: TheHappyPianoMuse] #2579413
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Originally Posted by TheHappyPianoMuse
Obviously a computer generated program which would fail the Turing test in the first few seconds. Apart from the impossibility of playing at that speed with a constant and uniform tone ... the missing natural "rubato" and phrasing are dead give-aways.

For me these electronic programs mock the hours I spend actually learning to play a reasonable rendition of my compositions. The practice time and recording time often swallow up much more time and energy than actually composing the darned thing. And when I provide a clean PDF file free to my readers, that gobbles up even more time.

A few days ago I learned how to edit and splice relatively seamlessly after years of "recording all at once" ... and felt guilty as I excised a small segment and "pasted in" an edited replacement.

Now I'm not going to feel guilty about it anymore. laugh

( It's a fun piece of music ... even if only a particularly agile android can play it.)





1+ I am only a pianist, not a composer. But I find tiring compositions that only an agile android can play. If you are going to compose, what is the point of composing music that will not be played by a human? I want to support new composers by listening to/playing their compositions.... so this trend in the 'unplayable' is disheartening to those of us that appreciate new music. I have almost quit pursuing the composers lounge because of this trend. When will it stop????

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Re: Prelude [Re: JoelW] #2579746
10/18/16 11:04 AM
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Joel has become expert at composing for a machine. Whatever your personal opinions the fact is that composing for any possibility using an approximation of a real piano sound is a valid creative avenue. I personally find their efforts are at least informed by performance capability and I find their efforts amusing. However, there is no need to avoid this forum, simply understand that this is what JoelW and Polyphonist do. I have a couple of pieces I've recently composed but I have to learn to play them well enough to record and then get my piano tuned (which won't happen until the heat has been running consistently for a few weeks) before I would dare post a recording here.

I hope you will continue to visit the Composer's Lounge just don't click on their threads and you'll be fine. Of course that's easy to say and when the time comes you may be tempted to visit their threads just to see what their latest efforts have wrought. Just remember if that happens you didn't have to do it. wink

Re: Prelude [Re: JoelW] #2579750
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Composing for machines worked for Conlon Nancarrow, I see no problem there, to be honest.


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