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Re: Yamaha C3 w/ WNG Carbon-Fiber Shanks & Abel Natural Hammers
gnuboi #2578205 10/12/16 12:52 PM
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Thank you gnuboi!

I agree... I didn't realize that the C3's metallic sound was so prominent until I made that recording last July of 2015. It may have been part of the inspiration for me to 'informally' start looking at semi-concert grands soon thereafter and ultimately end up in Haverhill, MA for the factory tour and selection of my BB. After getting the BB, the comparison was so pronounced that I never practiced on the C3, after 35 years of reliable service. So I knew had to do something. And I am very pleased with how much warmer we were able to make the sound. Although it is not the BB, I am enjoying playing it once again and understand why I purchased it back in high school after winning my first competition (vs. a car). It was my first grand piano and has served me very well for many years.

Corvus,
As you can see from above C3 recording was actually made in July 2015. Both instruments were tuned last January. Since I hadn't played it, and C3 has a Dampp-Chaser in addition to controlling room humidity, tuning hadn't drifted too much, so we did the WNG installation and initial voicing the way it was; plan is to tune it again after change in New England seasons and heat comes on. Can also due some tone regulation and final voicing at that time... True work in progress!

BB needed to be tuned again due to all my practicing and only controlling room humidity. We are about to install a double tank Dampp-Chaser prior to this winter. Tuning and treble string massaging to remove false beats is also a necessary element before final voicing and this was done on the BB, but not yet on C3. C3 recordings are 1 year apart, recordings on BB are 2 weeks apart.

Thanks to both of you for your interest and kind comments!




Jason Solomonides
Mason & Hamlin 7' BB 93623
Yamaha 6'1" C3 (w/WNG) D3010008
My Piano Recordings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7aJcfJZZvg&list=PLkP65I5BsNirTcv-nAHm4BXXsCbB_EbAJ
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Re: Yamaha C3 w/ WNG Carbon-Fiber Shanks & Abel Natural Hammers
Corvus #2578221 10/12/16 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Corvus
That is certainly a great improvement in your C3. You weren't joking about the metallic sound. The "before" recording almost sounds like there's a Tanpura (the drone instrument that accompanies a sitar) playing in the background!


I'm not familiar with the Tanpura. To me it sounded like somebody was doubling your melody line on steel triangles.

The change is impressive. I hope I can remember hearing this when my Knabe action reaches end of life. I should put a note somewhere: WNG & Abel....



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Re: Yamaha C3 w/ WNG Carbon-Fiber Shanks & Abel Natural Hammers
wolfgangmeister #2578305 10/12/16 11:22 PM
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Jason,

Thanks for sharing the update on your C3 (and thanks for sharing your lovely recordings)!

As the proud owner of a new-to-me 1987 C3, it's especially useful to know that this particular rebuilding option exists and has proven successful.

Regards,
Kyle

Re: Yamaha C3 w/ WNG Carbon-Fiber Shanks & Abel Natural Hammers
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Wow! What differences - especially with the change to WNG.

Re: Yamaha C3 w/ WNG Carbon-Fiber Shanks & Abel Natural Hammers
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Hi. The change is obvious.
The "ping" noise is yet present in the trebles... and (in my opinión) come from the front dúplex área.

Re: Yamaha C3 w/ WNG Carbon-Fiber Shanks & Abel Natural Hammers
wolfgangmeister #2578430 10/13/16 01:55 PM
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Hi wolfgangmeister,

Thanks for sharing your beautiful performance! Even on the OEM C3 your music was still awesome, but there is no doubt that the new action/hammer made a huge difference especially in your C3. And your BB is absolutely stunning!

I have a similar experience as yours: we always knew our GB1 is quite glassy bright, but we managed to practice/play on it for years as it was the only financial/space-feasible option. After we got our model A, the difference has been so huge that we barely touch the GB1. Sometimes when we play two-piano passages, the combination was how I described in another thread, that the GB1's bright attack sound would surface above for a fraction of a second, then is completely drowned by the A's sustain, not dissimilar to a drowning person (sorry for the macabre metaphor.)

Have you gotten a chance to play both of your pianos together and see how they work?


1969 Hamburg Steinway B, rebuilt by PianoCraft in 2017
2013 New York Steinway A
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Re: Yamaha C3 w/ WNG Carbon-Fiber Shanks & Abel Natural Hammers
wolfgangmeister #2578468 10/13/16 05:32 PM
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Thank you so much JazzyJamMan (Kyle), JohnSprung, Goof, Lluiscl and Davdoc, for your kind compliments on my performance, the improvements to my 1980 Yamaha C3 with WNG / Abel Natural (which are not done yet), your similar experiences / insight and kind comments regarding my recordings! Although I have not done any two piano work since the WNG renovation and BB final voicing, I actually have plans to do this with a very good pianist friend of mine in near future. I do know what you mean though Davdoc, had similar experience before WNG with two piano work; C3 would shrill though initially but BB has was more sustain power over time. Already can tell that this change will mitigate this problem to a large degree. I'll give an update when we get to try this.

Got so many positive comments on the Mason & Hamlin BB, that just wanted to place a link to a pretty detailed photo summary thread I also put together recently regarding the step-by-step process that is performed when a piano goes through tone regulation, tuning and final voicing. The Chief Voicing Technician for Mason & Hamlin that installed my C3 WNG renovation, also performed the all-day final voicing work on my BB. I think you will find it very interesting!

Mason & Hamlin BB: Tone Regulation & Concert Voicing



Jason Solomonides
Mason & Hamlin 7' BB 93623
Yamaha 6'1" C3 (w/WNG) D3010008
My Piano Recordings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7aJcfJZZvg&list=PLkP65I5BsNirTcv-nAHm4BXXsCbB_EbAJ
Mason & Hamlin Artist
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