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First Day Impressions of Keyscape...... #2573455
09/23/16 08:29 PM
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As mentioned in another thread, the specs of my 4 or 5 year old laptop computer (which I use with my VPC1 to run all of my VSTs) barely meet the minimum specs spelled out by Spectrasonics for Keyscape. In spite of my concerns about performance, I took the chance and ordered the boxed version.

It arrived late yesterday and, after installing it, I had a problem with running it in Reaper (which was totally my fault). But I got that straightened out earlier today, so I thought that I'd report on my experience so far on how it performs on a lower-spec laptop system like mine.

Bottom Line: Pretty Darn Good! I run it at its default (as installed) settings, and have only experienced a few pops and cracks in sound. I don't know if the install routine is intelligent enough to "sense" how powerful the system is - but on mine, it defaulted to 32 voices. (It can be set much higher or lower, as needed). "Thinning" was OFF by default.

FWIW - Doing a full gliss up and down the keyboard while holding the sustain pedal down caused the sound to buzz and the CPU to max out, but keep in mind that my system is old and low-spec.

I tried turning ON "Thinning" and that seemed to help with elimination pops and cracks with a slight change in sound (hard to describe...) but, since I rarely max out the CPU while doing my "normal" playing, I turned "thinning" off again and have left it off. I also played with lowering the voices to around 28 or so which also seemed to eliminate the pops/cracks for my purposes. However, I've since left it set back at 32.

Velocity Curve presets included aren't numerous, but can be adjusted to taste quite easily.

The sound is great IMO. Nice variety of both piano voicing and keyboard collection. Even on my system, loading different pianos goes very smoothly and quickly since Keyscape's "preview" feature allows you to start playing before the selected voice is full loaded. And, of course, there's lots and lots of keyboards to explore!

I really have nothing to complain about after worrying how it will run on my system. FWIW, my laptop's specs are Windows 7, 8 Gigs Ram, i5 CPU running at 2.3Ghz and an SSD hard drive.

One negative is that Keyscape does not support half-pedaling. I don't think that's mentioned on the website, but it IS mentioned in the little booklet that you get, and I can verify that it is the case.

I hope this info helps anyone with a lower-spec computer who may be on the fence about Keyscape. I'm happy I bought it.


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Re: First Day Impressions of Keyscape...... [Re: newbert] #2573458
09/23/16 08:48 PM
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Sounds cool. So worth $399? How many total pianos are there?

Re: First Day Impressions of Keyscape...... [Re: Cinjero] #2573459
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Originally Posted by Cinjero
Sounds cool. So worth $399? How many total pianos are there?


Only you can decide for yourself whether its worth that price. FWIW, the boxed set can be had for $20 less from retailers.

Specs, etc can be found here.



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Re: First Day Impressions of Keyscape...... [Re: newbert] #2573479
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Originally Posted by newbert
As mentioned in another thread, the specs of my 4 or 5 year old laptop computer (which I use with my VPC1 to run all of my VSTs) barely meet the minimum specs spelled out by Spectrasonics for Keyscape. In spite of my concerns about performance, I took the chance and ordered the boxed version.

It arrived late yesterday and, after installing it, I had a problem with running it in Reaper (which was totally my fault). But I got that straightened out earlier today, so I thought that I'd report on my experience so far on how it performs on a lower-spec laptop system like mine.

Bottom Line: Pretty Darn Good! I run it at its default (as installed) settings, and have only experienced a few pops and cracks in sound.

I really have nothing to complain about after worrying how it will run on my system. FWIW, my laptop's specs are Windows 7, 8 Gigs Ram, i5 CPU running at 2.3Ghz and an SSD hard drive.


Thanks for the detailed post and glad you are enjoying your new VI.

The specs of your computer are pretty good. To avoid crackles, you might try, if possible

1. increasing the sample size
2. increasing buffer size
3. Using the free ASIO4ALL drivers
4. Trying a different USB port (which is not shared internally with keyboard, etc)

I have a recent post on getting the Garritan CFX to play without crackles at low latency and the pianoworld community has provided some very helpful tips. Maybe something there helps you. . .

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Re: First Day Impressions of Keyscape...... [Re: newer player] #2573616
09/24/16 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by newer player
Originally Posted by newbert
As mentioned in another thread, the specs of my 4 or 5 year old laptop computer (which I use with my VPC1 to run all of my VSTs) barely meet the minimum specs spelled out by Spectrasonics for Keyscape. In spite of my concerns about performance, I took the chance and ordered the boxed version.

It arrived late yesterday and, after installing it, I had a problem with running it in Reaper (which was totally my fault). But I got that straightened out earlier today, so I thought that I'd report on my experience so far on how it performs on a lower-spec laptop system like mine.

Bottom Line: Pretty Darn Good! I run it at its default (as installed) settings, and have only experienced a few pops and cracks in sound.

I really have nothing to complain about after worrying how it will run on my system. FWIW, my laptop's specs are Windows 7, 8 Gigs Ram, i5 CPU running at 2.3Ghz and an SSD hard drive.


Thanks for the detailed post and glad you are enjoying your new VI.

The specs of your computer are pretty good. To avoid crackles, you might try, if possible

1. increasing the sample size
2. increasing buffer size
3. Using the free ASIO4ALL drivers
4. Trying a different USB port (which is not shared internally with keyboard, etc)

I have a recent post on getting the Garritan CFX to play without crackles at low latency and the pianoworld community has provided some very helpful tips. Maybe something there helps you. . .


Thanks for the response. Latency has not been a problem at all, but I was getting occasional pops/cracks with Keyscape. So, I tried your first suggestion and raised the sample size to 256 in my ASIO driver. (It was at 64....)

Now the pops/cracks are gone and I detect no hit on latency. So, Thanks!

BTW - although my Garritan CFX is running fine, I'm interested in reading about your suggested tweaks. Can you provide a link to the post you mentioned?

Thanks again!


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Re: First Day Impressions of Keyscape...... [Re: newbert] #2573620
09/24/16 03:28 PM
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Awesome!

I think you mean increasing buffer size to 256 killed the crackling without noticeable impact on latency (or your wallet).

Increasing buffer will tend increase latency. Increasing sample size will tend to decrease latency. If you like to fool around with settings, you might want to increase sample size [EDIT] until the pops come back then back it off. Or just leave things as they are.

How do you connect your VPC-1 to the computer? USB direct or traditional midi cables?

My CFX journey on VI, latency and jitter is in the following thread

http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2571323/1.html


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Re: First Day Impressions of Keyscape...... [Re: newer player] #2573634
09/24/16 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by newer player
Awesome!

I think you mean increasing buffer size to 256 killed the crackling without noticeable impact on latency (or your wallet).

Increasing buffer will tend increase latency. Increasing sample size will tend to decrease latency. If you like to fool around with settings, you might want to increase latency until the pops come back then back it off. Or just leave things as they are.

How do you connect your VPC-1 to the computer? USB direct or traditional midi cables?

My CFX journey on VI, latency and jitter is in the following thread

http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2571323/1.html



Thanks again. FWIW, I use USB direct to connect my VPC1 and laptop. I use the VPC1's traditional MIDI ports to connect to my iPad (using a Lightning adapter) for occasional use with piano apps.


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