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Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: TonyBanks] #2570133
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Originally Posted by TonyBanks
FYI Kraft may be $1,999, but musician's friend has it for $1,799. USD


Good catch. Same at GC

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Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster] #2570156
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Honestly this for me was the most exciting entry that they made. With them putting the full modeled sound and full PHA-50 keyboard that the LX-17 it becomes a fairly easy decision for me to buy this. I really want an Avant Grand at some point but space and not going into debt to buy something comes into play. With the FP-90 I can get an excellent practice piano that I can use right now for a few years, buy the Avant Grand (wait until they update it - even if it's five years) and then move the Roland into my studio. I currently am using a Kawai MP-9500 and it's time for a new action (14 years old) as playing quick passages on it is not easy and when playing substantial classical lit. with a lot of pedal, notes, etc. there is noticeable voice-stealing.

I would definitely look at a stage-type piano Kawai if it had the GFII in it (in my mind the difference between GF and GFII is a fairly good amount) to replace my current Kawai....because overall I like the Kawai action but that doesn't exist right now and buying a cabinet model like the CA67 doesn't appeal to me too much because of the bulk and honestly I just haven't found any upright digitals where the built in sound system blows me away (I have played the CA67) except for the Avant Grand N2....impressive sound system.

I just wanted to elaborate to perhaps help anyone else going through the same thought process - I've spent a lot of time thinking about this as many of you have. So it is likely I will get the Roland - unless Kawai soon were to release an MP12. I think it is quite an amazing buy at $1799 actually....

Blessings all and thanks to Roland for a unique and fun show! I had fun tuning in throughout the day seeing the different performances and products as they unfolded - loved the accordion by the way....want one of those!

Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster] #2570197
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There it is, Roland is in full competition with the Kawai ES8, i dont think any others can come close to these two in this price range...

I played the hp 605 a few weeks ago, and sound and keybed are sensational.. Better then the ES8 in my opinion..

Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster] #2570207
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looks great- might be my next piano - are the shipping dates in UK of December correct ? its always one of those months ...

only thing is FP-30 is 1/3rd the price ...

although different form factor - wonder how the action compares to the similarly priced Kawai CA17

and I guess another 350 or so and you get a MP11 ...

decisions decisions - it does seem to tick most of the boxes

not sure of looks - but don't really care about looks smile

I watched the Andertons video what did others think of the strings sounds ?

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Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: Marko in Boston] #2570223
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Originally Posted by Marko in Boston
Originally Posted by TonyBanks
FYI Kraft may be $1,999, but musician's friend has it for $1,799. USD


Good catch. Same at GC



Guitar Center owns Musicians Friend, so no surprise there. Only question now is, what is the true MAP? One of them is making a mistake.

Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster] #2570248
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- forgive my ignorance -

I'm curious to understand how Roland's onboard modeled sounds compare to midi-controlled modeled sounds. I don't mean the timbre differences, I mean to ask if the onboard nature grants greater "connection" to the keyboard because those sounds aren't necessarily driven by MIDI and therefore aren't subject to MIDI interface limitations (velocity gradations for example) found in a VPC-1 per se.

Is such a difference merely in the realm of theory? Or have people felt a tangible difference?

Thanks,

Jack




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Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: TonyBanks] #2570274
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Originally Posted by TonyBanks
Only question now is, what is the true MAP? One of them is making a mistake.


Manufacturer Suggest Retail Price (MSRP) vs Minimum Advertised Price (MAP) can vary. But I think it's safe to say in this case $1,799US MAP (a.k.a street price)
Might even find 5-15% off the $1,799 if you dig deep with some vendors.


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Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster] #2570298
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Any opinions on how this action compares to the Kawai ES8 and the VPC1 actions?

This Roland looks very exciting.


Roland FP-90; Pianoteq 6 + many add-ons; 2 Yamaha HS8s; ATH-M50X and Samson SR850 headphones; Xenyx Q802USB interface. 2; I make a living playing a Yamaha PSR-S970 with FBT Maxx 2a's, Crowne Headset Mic. I also play guitar.
Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster] #2570307
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Far better than the ES8, I would say better or on pair with VPC1.

Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster] #2570323
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They dropped the accompaniment engine/rythm section. Weird decision as the ES8 does have it, would've been a no brainer otherwise.

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So, if compare FP-90 and RD-800, what reasons still could be to choose more expensive RD-800 with previous generation of sound engine and action? Which advantages RD-800 still offers over FP-90 to stay valuable? More sounds? More controls, connectivity?

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just watched the Better Music video - more convinced now

pity not available for sale right away frown

Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: Garf] #2570330
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Originally Posted by Garf
They dropped the accompaniment engine/rythm section. Weird decision as the ES8 does have it, would've been a no brainer otherwise.


Actually this is one of the things where the fp90 really shines, its done by an ipad/android app(free) trough midi and audio over Bluetooth connection... This allows them to have way more advanced accompany tracks then onboard...

Also there is a superb editor for the piano sounds allowing you to create your very own finetuned sounds.. Having a big touchscreen is incredible for these things..

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Originally Posted by 9190
So, if compare FP-90 and RD-800, what reasons still could be to choose more expensive RD-800 with previous generation of sound engine and action? Which advantages RD-800 still offers over FP-90 to stay valuable? More sounds? More controls, connectivity?


Masterkeyboard functionallity and direct live controll over your sound by the knobs and sliders.. Also the livesets have up to 4 sounds active at a time, allowing for multiple layers or even multiple splits

We might see a new version of the RD 800 next year. With the improved sound engine as well as the new superb keybed... I dont see any reason for roland to hold back on this...



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That's quite unusual and great, that Roland made digital piano (I'm talking now about slab version, which is the only that I'm interested) with top sound engine and keyboard action in more affordable class instrument, and not starting from top class/cost product as it usually happens. I think personally for me those extra possibilities of RD-800 wouldn't matter at all. I thought that in stage piano formfactor new action and sound engine will be presented in RD-800's successor.

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Also, the EPs on the FP90 are not SN, whereas they are on the 800.

Greg.

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Are any instruments besides the piano voices modeled?


Roland FP-90; Pianoteq 6 + many add-ons; 2 Yamaha HS8s; ATH-M50X and Samson SR850 headphones; Xenyx Q802USB interface. 2; I make a living playing a Yamaha PSR-S970 with FBT Maxx 2a's, Crowne Headset Mic. I also play guitar.
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wonder how the modelled Piano compares to something like Pianoteq 5

I did a google search for LX-17 vs Pianoteq but nothing really came up

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I remember reading somewhere on this forum that a member was able to compare the two and thought the better of Roland.


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I'm a Pianoteq/VPC1 user and recently tried the LX-17 at some length. Couldn't get on with it at all - rather lifeless and unresponsive I thought. And I really couldn't get on with the action - too light for one thing. But, as I keep saying, you need time - lots of time - with each different instrument in order to learn how to play it. So comparisons are fraught with difficulty. You're very likely just to prefer that which you're used to. Other thing is that I use a fairly optimal speaker setup with Pianoteq which, with the best will in the world, a built-in system on something like the LX-17 isn't going to be able to compete with.

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