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Re: Synthogy Ivory 2 grand pianos or pianoteq 5
Frédéric L #2570071 09/10/16 07:42 AM
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Re EWQLP, [...] there can be abrupt changes in tone with velocity,

I have found it too and was surprised : a 10-18 velocity layer piano should not have such obvious velocity changes.

I have emailed the hotline. I hope they will update the product.

Do you know Guys, how is with Platinum version of EWQL? Are they these same samples and velocities problem?


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Originally Posted by Frédéric L
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Re EWQLP, [...] there can be abrupt changes in tone with velocity,

I have found it too and was surprised : a 10-18 velocity layer piano should not have such obvious velocity changes.

I have emailed the hotline. I hope they will update the product.

I suspect they will fix it right after Garritan fixes the pedaling on the CFX and releases their previously promised and said to be completed improvements for pedaling on their long discontinued Garritan Authorized Steinway. The latter may happen any day now (in some parallel universe).



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What would lead anyone to expect updates on an old product?

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
What would lead anyone to expect updates on an old product?

I think Macy was ironical and stress a promise from Garritan.

About EWQL Piano (which is still sold), the hotline answer was "we looked at it and it is going to be modified in an instrument update in the near future". But I will really believe it when (if) it will come.


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Re: Synthogy Ivory 2 grand pianos or pianoteq 5
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
What would lead anyone to expect updates on an old product?


In my case, naïve optimism.

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I got Pianoteq 5 (and a VPC1) over a year ago now and to begin with I found the sound often a little ugly and off-putting. Then, over a period of months, I came to like it more and more. I don't think this was just a process of getting used to the sound. I think that it was also that I was learning how to play it. I now like it a lot.

Because of this experience I would echo what some others have said - you need time with an instrument. And pre-recorded demos don't tell you much about how you will feel playing the thing.

Recently I got the Ivory II American D and although I like the richness of the sound, after Pianoteq it feels like playing a recording of something - which is what it is of course. There just isn't the immediacy and feel of contact with an actual instrument. It's like playing something at one remove. But I will persevere because maybe, once again, I need to learn how to play it. And the richness of the sound does I think show up something of the slight 'mono-dimensionality' or lack of complexity of the Pianoteq sound.

But I suspect that the poster who suggested that if Pianoteq continues to improve it's going to be hard to match is right. In the end it seems to me that the modelled approach is the way ahead in that a modelled instrument is its own 'real thing' - an instrument in its own right, albeit based on another one.

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I got Pianoteq 5 (and a VPC1) over a year ago now and to begin with I found the sound often a little ugly and off-putting. Then, over a period of months, I came to like it more and more. I don't think this was just a process of getting used to the sound. I think that it was also that I was learning how to play it. I now like it a lot.

Because of this experience I would echo what some others have said - you need time with an instrument. And pre-recorded demos don't tell you much about how you will feel playing the thing.

Recently I got the Ivory II American D and although I like the richness of the sound, after Pianoteq it feels like playing a recording of something - which is what it is of course. There just isn't the immediacy and feel of contact with an actual instrument. It's like playing something at one remove. But I will persevere because maybe, once again, I need to learn how to play it. And the richness of the sound does I think show up something of the slight 'mono-dimensionality' or lack of complexity of the Pianoteq sound.

But I suspect that the poster who suggested that if Pianoteq continues to improve it's going to be hard to match is right. In the end it seems to me that the modelled approach is the way ahead in that a modelled instrument is its own 'real thing' - an instrument in its own right, albeit based on another one.

Ian.


Good points here, my history goes from playing samples and ignoring Pianoteq, and now its opposite. I play on VPC only Pianoteq and sometimes VSL Vienna. Nothing compare with complexity of Pianoteq sound and functionality as a digital instrument. There is no turning back to recording sound no more. I love it.

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I've got both Ivory 2 and Pianoteq Stage. For my daily practise I really enjoy the Pianoteq Bluthner (other pianoteq sounds has often disapointed me). It had make me switch from Ivory to Pianoteq. The Mozart demo song of the Bluthner on pianoteq site is quite convincing to my taste.

Consider also :
- no usb dongle
- no ssd disk required (so I use it on a very cheap laptop)
- 15 seconds boot from sleep on windows 10
- Stage version of Pianoteq fits me well (intermediate level). Don't have time to adjust many settings.

That said , I've really enjoyed playing Ivory 2. Faziolli piano was my favorite.

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Anyone have/trying the EastWest ones?

I'm trying their Gold Piano set and wow..... wow.... horrid, at first seems okay, then add sustain and there;s this ringing like a banjo or I'm in an Asian Restaurant. I've tried them in the Player and as VST in FL 12... same results... really bad. Any suggestions?

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Cinjero: I've already said that I have EWQLP. ("East West Quantum Leap Pianos). I absolutely do not find them "horrid" - not sure what's going on. I think they sound excellent.

Greg.

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Cinjero: I've already said that I have EWQLP. ("East West Quantum Leap Pianos). I absolutely do not find them "horrid" - not sure what's going on. I think they sound excellent.

Greg.


Ok, well best way to describe it is like A3--- rings unusually loud then it should with pedal. I think it sounds crisp, nice (non-pedal), but the problem starts and then just grows if I use pedal, with all the pianos. I found somewhere it might be reverb, although I can't find such a control.

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What piano - there are four. Regarding the swelling with the sustain pedal, yes, I think I know what you mean there. All it does is overlap multiple voices playing the same sample - every time you play a new note, a new voice plays the sample, whilst earlier samples, still playing the same note, continue to sound - they all overlap. I don't mind the swelling, but it is overdone.

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How about Platinum version of EWQL? Is the same velocities problem?


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I don't know, but I would be very surprised if it were any different.

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Originally Posted by sullivang
What piano - there are four. Regarding the swelling with the sustain pedal, yes, I think I know what you mean there. All it does is overlap multiple voices playing the same sample - every time you play a new note, a new voice plays the sample, whilst earlier samples, still playing the same note, continue to sound - they all overlap. I don't mind the swelling, but it is overdone.

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As I said, ALL OF THEM. The Light versions don't behave as badly, but somewhat disappointing if this is considered "pro". I have a free VST Yamaha that sounds way better (neo mini), but I suppose it's all about what we like to hear :-)

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I am especially interested in Bechstein samples of EWQL.


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Originally Posted by Cinjero

As I said, ALL OF THEM.


Oops - sorry - I missed that.

If you can upload a recording of the problem you hear, I could take a listen if you like....

I'll have to try that neo mini VST - thanks for the heads up.

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As I said, ALL OF THEM.


Oops - sorry - I missed that.

If you can upload a recording of the problem you hear, I could take a listen if you like....

I'll have to try that neo mini VST - thanks for the heads up.

Greg.


Sure, I'll what I can do later today.

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Sure, I'll what I can do later today.


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So I forgot that iPhone recording is useless because you can't do much with the actually recording after recording it; like Apple somehow believes they own the recording.

But anyway, I can better describe the issue like this: C2 - C3 range play G, A with no pedal--- sounds fine, add pedal and A rings like banging a gong, keep playing and other notes start to follow the same issue. However, to make matters worse after upgrading/updating their PLAY software other issues appeared... some notes did not sustain, even with pedal, and then I found while playing some notes randomly jumped 1 to 2 octaves. I can only think maybe the software just doesn't quite communicate well with the MIDI from the keyboard, although I've had no problems with FL (DAW).

In other news I downloaded and tried XLN audio piano's and that works fine.. Pianoteq also works well, some hit and missing with tone (to me) with some flavours of settings on their piano settings.

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Thanks. Can you just export a recording from your DAW? Also, just to get a reference - what octave would you call middle C? (I.e, either C3 or C4 - there are multiple standards)

Just btw, I don't like the repetition emulation - I use the simpler presets that don't use the repetition layers. That might help a bit.

Greg.


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