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Is PioneerVSX-329 good amp for Focusrite and hi-fi speakers? #2566453
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Hello,

After reading several topis about amplifiers - here, here and here I understood that the following are key requirements for choosing an amplifier:

1. Must have Pure or Direct mode
2. at least 100W per channel
3. Digital inputs are desirable
4. "at least" a bass and treble knob on the front

Many times Onkyo was suggested, and I understand that this Pineer might be overkill for the purpose. But currently I don't have Onkyo for reasonable price in local stores but there is option to buy this Pioneer for $200 and I consider all those extra features as a bonus - may be I'll use it also as av receiver for home theater later.

So I want to ask if anyone here has experience with Pioneer amplifiers and may be this particular model. My main goal is what I wrote in question title - I am connecting my DP to Focusrite, connected to AUX (analog) input of another amp which I need to return to its owner, so I am looking for replacement for that amp.

Any inputs will be highly appreciated!
Thank you!

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Is there really any difference between Onkyo and Pioneer (and Yamaha and Denon and Kenwood)?

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Is there really any difference between Onkyo and Pioneer (and Yamaha and Denon and Kenwood)?

To tell you the truth I am asking this question myself and I really don't know the answer. The only HI-FI amp I ever had experience with was Sherwood that I bought 23 years ago and I was very happy with it listenning CDs. But that amp is now dead and also don't know if it could be good for DP playing... I still have speakers from that set, ISP 2000, 100w each, which I plan to use with my new amp...


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There is an old rule:

. . . The distortion of any decent amplifier is negligible,

. . . compared to the distortion of a very good loudspeaker.

I think it's still true.

I wouldn't worry about the sound quality of any modern transistorized amp.

I _would_ worry about the power rating, since many manufacturers have been using "music power" ratings that are exaggerated (IMHO).

. . . How many "watts RMS, continuous" will the amps deliver?

"Instrument amplifiers" (and loudspeakers) are designed for handling sustained, loud sounds. "Home music systems" are designed for handling recorded music in a living room.

PS -- I am out-of-touch with recent developments in home audio systems. When a maker rates an amp at '100 watts', he might mean "100 watts RMS, continuous". But read the specs carefully.


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Re: Is PioneerVSX-329 good amp for Focusrite and hi-fi speakers? [Re: michaelvi] #2566487
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Thank you Charles for answer!
Sorry, what does "RMS" stand for?

And can you give me some exmples of those "Instrument amplifiers"? Sounds like they are better sutable for this purpose?

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Originally Posted by Charles Cohen
There is an old rule:

. . . The distortion of any decent amplifier is negligible,

. . . compared to the distortion of a very good loudspeaker.

I think it's still true.

I wouldn't worry about the sound quality of any modern transistorized amp.

I _would_ worry about the power rating, since many manufacturers have been using "music power" ratings that are exaggerated (IMHO).

. . . How many "watts RMS, continuous" will the amps deliver?

"Instrument amplifiers" (and loudspeakers) are designed for handling sustained, loud sounds. "Home music systems" are designed for handling recorded music in a living room.

PS -- I am out-of-touch with recent developments in home audio systems. When a maker rates an amp at '100 watts', he might mean "100 watts RMS, continuous". But read the specs carefully.


I know very little about audio equipment as well. When my father passed away a couple of years ago, he was an audiophile and left behind tons of audio equipment that no one knew what to do with. My husband did research enough to find out what things were worth, thinking that since some of it was very old it wouldn't be worth much. However, there really have been very few advances in technology with regards to audio stuff, and so much of it is sought after, even if it's no longer being manufactured.

So I think a $200 Pioneer would be just fine for these purposes. I've used even cheaper equipment ($50 new?) hooked up to a DP with decent results, so this should work. It does also depend upon the monitors you're using, and if you have a subwoofer. I think these things would probably be more of a concern than the amp itself, but I know very little in this regard. smile


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Originally Posted by michaelvi
Thank you Charles for answer!
Sorry, what does "RMS" stand for?

Root mean square : you multiply the signal by itself (square), take the mean, then the square root. It is the main mode of measuring an alternative intensity or voltage. Your 220V voltage is RMS. (You have also an other mode : peek voltage).

The power is already a square (P=UxU/R), then the power RMS is simply the mean power of the signal.


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Thank you Frederic, I also found this info already and I found here that Pioneer is know to talk about RMS power in the official specs. So this one has 100W per channnel RMS, if I understood that right.
Now, my old (and I believe very good!) Sherwood ISP 2000 speakers are also 100W each (in spec). Will that match? I also read somewhere that amp should be 40-50% more than speakers, but on other hand, I don't think I will ever use this setup at full power in 20m living room. Or should I really look for an amp with 150-200 W per channel (RMS)?


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Originally Posted by Morodiene
So I think a $200 Pioneer would be just fine for these purposes.

Thank you Morodiene, I also was thinking this way, but I am bothering people with this question because currently I have TEAC (not mine - one that I need to return), an amp from the same range approx., and unfortunatelly I cannot say that I am fully satisfied with it when it is connected to my speakers. Headphones are fine, but sound it produces through speakers is very far from being acceptable... A lot of distortions... So I trying to make a carefull research before investing to a new amp... (But maybe it is just bad speakers placement, and if I'll reposition them carefully than with any good amp sound will be good enough)

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Originally Posted by michaelvi
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So I think a $200 Pioneer would be just fine for these purposes.

Thank you Morodiene, I also as thinking this way, but I am bothering people with this question because currently I have TEAC (not mine - one that I need to return), an amp from the same range approx., and unfortunatelly I cannot say that I am fully satisfied with it when it is connected to my speakers. Headphones are fine, but sound it produces through speakers is very far from being acceptable... A lot of distortions... So I trying to make a carefull research before investing to a new amp...

Are you sure it's not the speakers? That makes a huge difference depending on what their intended primary function. They may be great for listening to music, but not ideal for a DP. The same holds true for headphones.

This is why so many people prefer powered monitors for DPs rather than AMP/Speaker hook up. Monitors seem to perform better in this instance.


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It's a mistake to buy an amp based on your ISP speakers. Get the Pioneer and a new set of speakers to suit if you want your setup to perform both for your dp and your home stereo or get a pair of powered speakers like the JBL 305s for your dp.
Your speakers have rot.

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Originally Posted by Morodiene
Are you sure it's not the speakers? That makes a huge difference depending on what their intended primary function. They may be great for listening to music, but not ideal for a DP. The same holds true for headphones.

This is why so many people prefer powered monitors for DPs rather than AMP/Speaker hook up. Monitors seem to perform better in this instance.
Hmm.. It is not first time that I hear this... Interesting... If that's really a reason than I need to drop the idea of this Pioneer (and any other amp for my Sherwood speakers) and look for a power monitors instead?...


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Originally Posted by emenelton
It's a mistake to buy an amp based on your ISP speakers. Get the Pioneer and a new set of speakers to suit if you want your setup to perform both for your dp and your home stereo or get a pair of powered speakers like the JBL 305s for your dp.
Your speakers have rot.
Thanks emenelton! And I guess you will also say that 2nd option (JBL 305) is better for DP than Pioneer with suitable speakers?


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Originally Posted by emenelton
Your speakers have rot.
Sorry emenelton, what do you mean by that?


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Originally Posted by michaelvi
Originally Posted by Morodiene
Are you sure it's not the speakers? That makes a huge difference depending on what their intended primary function. They may be great for listening to music, but not ideal for a DP. The same holds true for headphones.

This is why so many people prefer powered monitors for DPs rather than AMP/Speaker hook up. Monitors seem to perform better in this instance.
Hmm.. It is not first time that I hear this... Interesting... If that's really a reason than I need to drop the idea of this Pioneer (and any other amp for my Sherwood speakers) and look for a power monitors instead?...


I think that this is probably going to be a better fit for your purposes. I currently own a pair of JBL LSR305's that are hooked up directly to my DP via line out, but I have also used them with an interface hooked up to my computer as well. Either one performs very well, although the addition of a subwoofer for these smaller monitors might be needed. You can look into the 308s which I understand don't need the sub, but you may find the 305s to suffice as I did.

Another contender in this price range is the PreSonus Eris E5, and KRK Rokit 5. These are the 3 most popular ones spoken about on this forum as DP monitors. Perhaps you can arrange to test drive them at home to see which you like in your setup the best?


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Originally Posted by Morodiene
Are you sure it's not the speakers? That makes a huge difference depending on what their intended primary function. They may be great for listening to music, but not ideal for a DP. The same holds true for headphones.

I am really curious about what are a reasons for such difference. In one setup a CD player de-digitizes CD audio stream and sends analog waveform to amp's input. In the second setup Focusrite de-digitizes audio stream produced by a DAW and sends analog waveform to amp's input (or even digital signal to amp's digital input and amp de-digitizes it). What is a difference? (aside quality of my piano playing and that of a professional pianist who recorded CD)


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Originally Posted by Morodiene
I think that this is probably going to be a better fit for your purposes. I currently own a pair of JBL LSR305's that are hooked up directly to my DP via line out, but I have also used them with an interface hooked up to my computer as well. Either one performs very well, although the addition of a subwoofer for these smaller monitors might be needed. You can look into the 308s which I understand don't need the sub, but you may find the 305s to suffice as I did.

Another contender in this price range is the PreSonus Eris E5, and KRK Rokit 5. These are the 3 most popular ones spoken about on this forum as DP monitors. Perhaps you can arrange to test drive them at home to see which you like in your setup the best?
Thank you Morodiene for suggestions. I'll look for these monitors in my local market... I see that on sweetwater.com the price is $149.99, i.e. $300 for pair...


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Originally Posted by michaelvi
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It's a mistake to buy an amp based on your ISP speakers. Get the Pioneer and a new set of speakers to suit if you want your setup to perform both for your dp and your home stereo or get a pair of powered speakers like the JBL 305s for your dp.
Your speakers have rot.
Thanks emenelton! And I guess you will also say that 2nd option (JBL 305) is better for DP than Pioneer with suitable speakers?


I'm not saying the second option is better or worse, just that basing the wattage rating of a new receiver to suit your existing speakers that are defective, that is a mistake.
If your goal is to get speakers for your dp, go powered monitors, if your goal is to have a system that works for both your dp and home theatre, than go for a receiver with speakers.

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Originally Posted by emenelton
just that basing the wattage rating of a new receiver to suit your existing speakers that are defective, that is a mistake.

Thank you emenelton, but why do you think that my speakers are defective???


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Originally Posted by michaelvi
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Are you sure it's not the speakers? That makes a huge difference depending on what their intended primary function. They may be great for listening to music, but not ideal for a DP. The same holds true for headphones.

I am really curious about what are a reasons for such difference. In one setup a CD player de-digitizes CD audio stream and sends analog waveform to amp's input. In the second setup Focusrite de-digitizes audio stream produced by a DAW and sends analog waveform to amp's input (or even digital signal to amp's digital input and amp de-digitizes it). What is a difference? (aside quality of my piano playing and that of a professional pianist who recorded CD)


Again, I'm by no means an expert here. But the first set up is designed for sounding "good" playing a wide variety of sounds. Could be pop or rock where there is less dynamic contrast, where as piano will generally have a lot more variation.

Also, certain equipment is meant to sound impressive - maybe by boosting highs or lows - rather than going for realism. With monitors, they are intended for use in mixing and so you may get a more realistic/flat representation. It may not sound the same as your speakers, or it might - I don't know.

If you could do a side-by-side comparison with your current set up and a couple of different monitors, I think you'd be able to see what works best with your particular DP.

A case in point are Beats headphones. Compared with other headphones in that price range, they come nowhere near as close in fidelity. But they do "tricks" to make things sound impressive - in a pop/hip-hop/R&B genre, but they don't really represent the sound accurately.

I'm not saying that the Pioneer amp and your speakers would sound worse than the aforementioned monitors, of course, just mentioning it as a possible reason why monitors would be better.


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So I think a $200 Pioneer would be just fine for these purposes.

Thank you Morodiene, I also as thinking this way, but I am bothering people with this question because currently I have TEAC (not mine - one that I need to return), an amp from the same range approx., and unfortunatelly I cannot say that I am fully satisfied with it when it is connected to my speakers. Headphones are fine, but sound it produces through speakers is very far from being acceptable... A lot of distortions... So I trying to make a carefull research before investing to a new amp...

Are you sure it's not the speakers? That makes a huge difference depending on what their intended primary function. They may be great for listening to music, but not ideal for a DP. The same holds true for headphones.

This is why so many people prefer powered monitors for DPs rather than AMP/Speaker hook up. Monitors seem to perform better in this instance.


The advantage these have is that the amp is supposed to be matched to the speaker giving less distortion and an optimum sound. I still use my Mackie 450 powered speaker with my Korg Triton and T-1. It has a great, clear sound. I used to use it when I was in a rock band.

The other way to go would be to get a dedicated sound system amp like a Carvin and a small mixing board. I use a set up like that with my church choir. I like to control my own sound when using CD sound tracks with the choir. I also have my keyboard plugged into it. I realize that's not a much less expensive, $200.00 dollar solution.

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. . . I still use my Mackie 450 powered speaker with my Korg Triton and T-1. It has a great, clear sound. I used to use it when I was in a rock band. . . .


It should have good sound, with a 12" woofer (400 watts RMS amp) and horn-loaded tweeter (100 watts RMS amp) ! But the price puts it outside the OP's budget.

The Pioneer VSX-320 specs say "100 watts per channel, 1 kHz, 6 ohms, 1% distortion", and "50 watts, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.06% distortion".

. . . That's not bad at all.

Run through "home hi-fidelity" speakers with 8" woofers or larger, the sound might be fine for a DP in a 20-square-meter (=200 square feet) room. The sound will be "colored" more by the speakers, than by the amp.

In theory, a recording of a piano, and the output from a real DP, should require the same kind of amp and speakers. But not many people would expect "live piano sound levels" from their home hi-fi systems -- whereas with a DP, that's _exactly_ what you'd want.

For comparison purposes, each LSR308 monitor speaker has a 56 watt amp for the tweeter, and a 56 watt amp for the 8" woofer.

Speculation:

Tastes differ, expectations differ, and rooms differ. I'd bet that almost everyone would be happy with a pair of Mackie SRM450 or SRM350 speakers, or a pair of my EV ZXA1's, for most any DP. In most "home studio" or "living room" situations, those are overkill (in the sense of "more than "good enough" ").

It's harder to answer "Would I be happy with . . . " when the power is 100 watts per channel, and the woofers are smaller.

. . . the only _real_ answer comes when you assemble the system, and live with it for a while.



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Re: Is PioneerVSX-329 good amp for Focusrite and hi-fi speakers? [Re: michaelvi] #2566631
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Originally Posted by michaelvi

I have TEAC (not mine - one that I need to return), an amp from the same range approx., and unfortunatelly Headphones are fine, but sound it produces through speakers is very far from being acceptable... A lot of distortions...


I said your speakers are defective because of your own words and they are 25 years old, speakers rot

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The Pioneer VSX-329 is a low-end unit. It's adequate for the purpose. But you might consider buying a receiver on Ebay.

For example: I bought a low-end Yamaha unit. It listed at $229 when new. I bought it seven years old for just $32.

You can get a high-end model (new: $300 - $500) just a few years old for less than a new low-end unit, often for under $100.

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I think you should consider "near-field" monitors.

Near-field speakers are designed for setting close to your listening position, such as on top of your desk or digital piano. I would consider some powered monitors like the JBLs noted by a few people above or some other brand you like in your price range; go listen if there is a place near your house. Monitors with built in amps are a very elegant solution without a lot of wires, buttons, etc.

A subwoofer takes some effort and time to integrate properly so if you have the funds and space maybe larger monitors give you enough low end. Maybe in the future consider adding a subwoofer. Be warned subwoofers generally sound terrible unless you take the time to research and test proper placement / integration; it seems two subwoofers are much easier to integrate than one, but they cost twice as much and take a lot of space. Three may be better.

FYI - Normal hi-fi speakers are usually designed for listening at several metres away; they sound odd when listening at close distance. Part of the issue is time alignment of the drivers but there are other complex issues you should not bother to worry about. Avoid hi-fi speakers for digital piano if possible.

FYI2 - The power specs on audio gear are quite useless marketing babble so don't bother spending too much time researching and comparing amp (or any other) specs.

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Originally Posted by newer player
I think you should consider "near-field" monitors.

Near-field speakers are designed for setting close to your listening position, such as on top of your desk or digital piano. I would consider some powered monitors like the JBLs noted by a few people above or some other brand you like in your price range; go listen if there is a place near your house. Monitors with built in amps are a very elegant solution without a lot of wires, buttons, etc.

A subwoofer takes some effort and time to integrate properly so if you have the funds and space maybe larger monitors give you enough low end. Maybe in the future consider adding a subwoofer. Be warned subwoofers generally sound terrible unless you take the time to research and test proper placement / integration; it seems two subwoofers are much easier to integrate than one, but they cost twice as much and take a lot of space. Three may be better.

FYI - Normal hi-fi speakers are usually designed for listening at several metres away; they sound odd when listening at close distance. Part of the issue is time alignment of the drivers but there are other complex issues you should not bother to worry about. Avoid hi-fi speakers for digital piano if possible.

FYI2 - The power specs on audio gear are quite useless marketing babble so don't bother spending too much time researching and comparing amp (or any other) specs.


Great info, thanks for sharing!


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Thank you Thank you MacMacMac, I just made a search on ebay and endeed there are many choices of used equipment for very low price, but in my case postage and import tax added, which makes final price close to the price of same unit new (in US market). This Pioneer (VSX-329) is also much more expensive in my country but it is being sold in duty free shop for $200 (purchases up to $200 are not subject of tax here) and I am flying in 3 days )))

I'll see if they have powered monitors there...

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Originally Posted by newer player
I think you should consider "near-field" monitors.

Near-field speakers are designed for setting close to your listening position, such as on top of your desk or digital piano. I would consider some powered monitors like the JBLs noted by a few people above or some other brand you like in your price range; go listen if there is a place near your house. Monitors with built in amps are a very elegant solution without a lot of wires, buttons, etc.

A subwoofer takes some effort and time to integrate properly so if you have the funds and space maybe larger monitors give you enough low end. Maybe in the future consider adding a subwoofer. Be warned subwoofers generally sound terrible unless you take the time to research and test proper placement / integration; it seems two subwoofers are much easier to integrate than one, but they cost twice as much and take a lot of space. Three may be better.

FYI - Normal hi-fi speakers are usually designed for listening at several metres away; they sound odd when listening at close distance. Part of the issue is time alignment of the drivers but there are other complex issues you should not bother to worry about. Avoid hi-fi speakers for digital piano if possible.

FYI2 - The power specs on audio gear are quite useless marketing babble so don't bother spending too much time researching and comparing amp (or any other) specs.


Thank you! That clarifies some of my questions...


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Monitors with built in amps are a very elegant solution without a lot of wires, buttons, etc.

There is just two things that I dislike with them - volume and other knobs are on back side (I guess I can get used to it) and there are separate for each monitor, so to make sound louder or softer I need to come to each of them and be sure to set them both to the same level... I understand that they are designed as single mono monitors, but that makes usage of them as stereo pair very inconvenient, IMO

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Originally Posted by michaelvi


Originally Posted by newer player
Monitors with built in amps are a very elegant solution without a lot of wires, buttons, etc.

There is just two things that I dislike with them - volume and other knobs are on back side (I guess I can get used to it) and there are separate for each monitor, so to make sound louder or softer I need to come to each of them and be sure to set them both to the same level... I understand that they are designed as single mono monitors, but that makes usage of them as stereo pair very inconvenient, IMO


You can usually adjust the volume somewhere in the "digital part" of the audio chain -- using a slider on the DP (if you're using its own sound generator) or a volume control inside the "software piano" (running on a computer) or the audio interface between the computer and the monitor speakers.

I think most audio interfaces that have headphone outputs, also have a "phone out" volume control. So you can set the phones at a comfortable volume, and set the speakers at a comfortable volume, and use either one without twiddling knobs.



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Originally Posted by Charles Cohen
You can usually adjust the volume somewhere in the "digital part" of the audio chain -- using a slider on the DP (if you're using its own sound generator) or a volume control inside the "software piano" (running on a computer) or the audio interface between the computer and the monitor speakers.

I think most audio interfaces that have headphone outputs, also have a "phone out" volume control. So you can set the phones at a comfortable volume, and set the speakers at a comfortable volume, and use either one without twiddling knobs.


On my digital piano, there are only two volume settings : main volume and mix song/keyboard volume. I can't set the Line-Out volume independently of the headphones. Mainy digital piano have only one setting.
However, you can find audio interface with a knob which set only the headphone volume.


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