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Re: Is PioneerVSX-329 good amp for Focusrite and hi-fi speakers? [Re: Morodiene] #2566608
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Originally Posted by Morodiene
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So I think a $200 Pioneer would be just fine for these purposes.

Thank you Morodiene, I also as thinking this way, but I am bothering people with this question because currently I have TEAC (not mine - one that I need to return), an amp from the same range approx., and unfortunatelly I cannot say that I am fully satisfied with it when it is connected to my speakers. Headphones are fine, but sound it produces through speakers is very far from being acceptable... A lot of distortions... So I trying to make a carefull research before investing to a new amp...

Are you sure it's not the speakers? That makes a huge difference depending on what their intended primary function. They may be great for listening to music, but not ideal for a DP. The same holds true for headphones.

This is why so many people prefer powered monitors for DPs rather than AMP/Speaker hook up. Monitors seem to perform better in this instance.


The advantage these have is that the amp is supposed to be matched to the speaker giving less distortion and an optimum sound. I still use my Mackie 450 powered speaker with my Korg Triton and T-1. It has a great, clear sound. I used to use it when I was in a rock band.

The other way to go would be to get a dedicated sound system amp like a Carvin and a small mixing board. I use a set up like that with my church choir. I like to control my own sound when using CD sound tracks with the choir. I also have my keyboard plugged into it. I realize that's not a much less expensive, $200.00 dollar solution.

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Re: Is PioneerVSX-329 good amp for Focusrite and hi-fi speakers? [Re: michaelvi] #2566628
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. . . I still use my Mackie 450 powered speaker with my Korg Triton and T-1. It has a great, clear sound. I used to use it when I was in a rock band. . . .


It should have good sound, with a 12" woofer (400 watts RMS amp) and horn-loaded tweeter (100 watts RMS amp) ! But the price puts it outside the OP's budget.

The Pioneer VSX-320 specs say "100 watts per channel, 1 kHz, 6 ohms, 1% distortion", and "50 watts, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.06% distortion".

. . . That's not bad at all.

Run through "home hi-fidelity" speakers with 8" woofers or larger, the sound might be fine for a DP in a 20-square-meter (=200 square feet) room. The sound will be "colored" more by the speakers, than by the amp.

In theory, a recording of a piano, and the output from a real DP, should require the same kind of amp and speakers. But not many people would expect "live piano sound levels" from their home hi-fi systems -- whereas with a DP, that's _exactly_ what you'd want.

For comparison purposes, each LSR308 monitor speaker has a 56 watt amp for the tweeter, and a 56 watt amp for the 8" woofer.

Speculation:

Tastes differ, expectations differ, and rooms differ. I'd bet that almost everyone would be happy with a pair of Mackie SRM450 or SRM350 speakers, or a pair of my EV ZXA1's, for most any DP. In most "home studio" or "living room" situations, those are overkill (in the sense of "more than "good enough" ").

It's harder to answer "Would I be happy with . . . " when the power is 100 watts per channel, and the woofers are smaller.

. . . the only _real_ answer comes when you assemble the system, and live with it for a while.



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Re: Is PioneerVSX-329 good amp for Focusrite and hi-fi speakers? [Re: michaelvi] #2566631
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Originally Posted by michaelvi

I have TEAC (not mine - one that I need to return), an amp from the same range approx., and unfortunatelly Headphones are fine, but sound it produces through speakers is very far from being acceptable... A lot of distortions...


I said your speakers are defective because of your own words and they are 25 years old, speakers rot

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The Pioneer VSX-329 is a low-end unit. It's adequate for the purpose. But you might consider buying a receiver on Ebay.

For example: I bought a low-end Yamaha unit. It listed at $229 when new. I bought it seven years old for just $32.

You can get a high-end model (new: $300 - $500) just a few years old for less than a new low-end unit, often for under $100.

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Re: Is PioneerVSX-329 good amp for Focusrite and hi-fi speakers? [Re: michaelvi] #2566796
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I think you should consider "near-field" monitors.

Near-field speakers are designed for setting close to your listening position, such as on top of your desk or digital piano. I would consider some powered monitors like the JBLs noted by a few people above or some other brand you like in your price range; go listen if there is a place near your house. Monitors with built in amps are a very elegant solution without a lot of wires, buttons, etc.

A subwoofer takes some effort and time to integrate properly so if you have the funds and space maybe larger monitors give you enough low end. Maybe in the future consider adding a subwoofer. Be warned subwoofers generally sound terrible unless you take the time to research and test proper placement / integration; it seems two subwoofers are much easier to integrate than one, but they cost twice as much and take a lot of space. Three may be better.

FYI - Normal hi-fi speakers are usually designed for listening at several metres away; they sound odd when listening at close distance. Part of the issue is time alignment of the drivers but there are other complex issues you should not bother to worry about. Avoid hi-fi speakers for digital piano if possible.

FYI2 - The power specs on audio gear are quite useless marketing babble so don't bother spending too much time researching and comparing amp (or any other) specs.

Re: Is PioneerVSX-329 good amp for Focusrite and hi-fi speakers? [Re: newer player] #2566825
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Originally Posted by newer player
I think you should consider "near-field" monitors.

Near-field speakers are designed for setting close to your listening position, such as on top of your desk or digital piano. I would consider some powered monitors like the JBLs noted by a few people above or some other brand you like in your price range; go listen if there is a place near your house. Monitors with built in amps are a very elegant solution without a lot of wires, buttons, etc.

A subwoofer takes some effort and time to integrate properly so if you have the funds and space maybe larger monitors give you enough low end. Maybe in the future consider adding a subwoofer. Be warned subwoofers generally sound terrible unless you take the time to research and test proper placement / integration; it seems two subwoofers are much easier to integrate than one, but they cost twice as much and take a lot of space. Three may be better.

FYI - Normal hi-fi speakers are usually designed for listening at several metres away; they sound odd when listening at close distance. Part of the issue is time alignment of the drivers but there are other complex issues you should not bother to worry about. Avoid hi-fi speakers for digital piano if possible.

FYI2 - The power specs on audio gear are quite useless marketing babble so don't bother spending too much time researching and comparing amp (or any other) specs.


Great info, thanks for sharing!


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Re: Is PioneerVSX-329 good amp for Focusrite and hi-fi speakers? [Re: michaelvi] #2566830
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Thank you Thank you MacMacMac, I just made a search on ebay and endeed there are many choices of used equipment for very low price, but in my case postage and import tax added, which makes final price close to the price of same unit new (in US market). This Pioneer (VSX-329) is also much more expensive in my country but it is being sold in duty free shop for $200 (purchases up to $200 are not subject of tax here) and I am flying in 3 days )))

I'll see if they have powered monitors there...

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Re: Is PioneerVSX-329 good amp for Focusrite and hi-fi speakers? [Re: newer player] #2566833
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Originally Posted by newer player
I think you should consider "near-field" monitors.

Near-field speakers are designed for setting close to your listening position, such as on top of your desk or digital piano. I would consider some powered monitors like the JBLs noted by a few people above or some other brand you like in your price range; go listen if there is a place near your house. Monitors with built in amps are a very elegant solution without a lot of wires, buttons, etc.

A subwoofer takes some effort and time to integrate properly so if you have the funds and space maybe larger monitors give you enough low end. Maybe in the future consider adding a subwoofer. Be warned subwoofers generally sound terrible unless you take the time to research and test proper placement / integration; it seems two subwoofers are much easier to integrate than one, but they cost twice as much and take a lot of space. Three may be better.

FYI - Normal hi-fi speakers are usually designed for listening at several metres away; they sound odd when listening at close distance. Part of the issue is time alignment of the drivers but there are other complex issues you should not bother to worry about. Avoid hi-fi speakers for digital piano if possible.

FYI2 - The power specs on audio gear are quite useless marketing babble so don't bother spending too much time researching and comparing amp (or any other) specs.


Thank you! That clarifies some of my questions...


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Monitors with built in amps are a very elegant solution without a lot of wires, buttons, etc.

There is just two things that I dislike with them - volume and other knobs are on back side (I guess I can get used to it) and there are separate for each monitor, so to make sound louder or softer I need to come to each of them and be sure to set them both to the same level... I understand that they are designed as single mono monitors, but that makes usage of them as stereo pair very inconvenient, IMO

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Re: Is PioneerVSX-329 good amp for Focusrite and hi-fi speakers? [Re: michaelvi] #2566866
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Originally Posted by michaelvi


Originally Posted by newer player
Monitors with built in amps are a very elegant solution without a lot of wires, buttons, etc.

There is just two things that I dislike with them - volume and other knobs are on back side (I guess I can get used to it) and there are separate for each monitor, so to make sound louder or softer I need to come to each of them and be sure to set them both to the same level... I understand that they are designed as single mono monitors, but that makes usage of them as stereo pair very inconvenient, IMO


You can usually adjust the volume somewhere in the "digital part" of the audio chain -- using a slider on the DP (if you're using its own sound generator) or a volume control inside the "software piano" (running on a computer) or the audio interface between the computer and the monitor speakers.

I think most audio interfaces that have headphone outputs, also have a "phone out" volume control. So you can set the phones at a comfortable volume, and set the speakers at a comfortable volume, and use either one without twiddling knobs.



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Re: Is PioneerVSX-329 good amp for Focusrite and hi-fi speakers? [Re: Charles Cohen] #2566878
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Originally Posted by Charles Cohen
You can usually adjust the volume somewhere in the "digital part" of the audio chain -- using a slider on the DP (if you're using its own sound generator) or a volume control inside the "software piano" (running on a computer) or the audio interface between the computer and the monitor speakers.

I think most audio interfaces that have headphone outputs, also have a "phone out" volume control. So you can set the phones at a comfortable volume, and set the speakers at a comfortable volume, and use either one without twiddling knobs.


On my digital piano, there are only two volume settings : main volume and mix song/keyboard volume. I can't set the Line-Out volume independently of the headphones. Mainy digital piano have only one setting.
However, you can find audio interface with a knob which set only the headphone volume.


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Re: Is PioneerVSX-329 good amp for Focusrite and hi-fi speakers? [Re: michaelvi] #2566881
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Originally Posted by michaelvi

There is just two things that I dislike with them - volume and other knobs are on back side (I guess I can get used to it) and there are separate for each monitor, so to make sound louder or softer I need to come to each of them and be sure to set them both to the same level... I understand that they are designed as single mono monitors, but that makes usage of them as stereo pair very inconvenient, IMO


I think it's assumed that you will buy two monitors, and while there's not one volume control for both per se, you do have the volume control on your DP, and that's what I use exclusively. I have my JBL's set to 7 and with the DP at around 75% or 80% volume, that is a comfortable loudness for me. When I want to be a little quieter (like when I'm playing scales and Hanon), I turn the DP volume down to about 50%. I don't touch the volume on the mons once set, so that should be a non-issue unless you're planning on using the monitors for separate applications a lot. Then you'd want to use the Focusrite.


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Does the piano volume control affect the line-outputs? It seems to be a mix.

My console piano's line-out is unaffected by the volume control. I'm guessing the opposite is true for stage pianos?

michaelvi: If your volume control does not alter the line output level, you could add a cheap mixer. This will give you volume and balance control ... and tone control, too.

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I think it depends of the piano. My piano has 2 pairs of jack socket : one which is affected by the volume and sn other which is not.


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My Casio 760 doesn't have line out at all, only 2 headphone outs and usb for computer. But I am planning to use my Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 as amp/mon input anyway. It has line outputs and S/PDIF (which I thought is better in case I have amp with digital input, but I am not sure). It also works as stand-alone mixer, without being connected to computer, but I don't want to use 760's phone outputs as waveform source, I want to use DAW

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